Grinder Finance – Pre-release Spoils

With the Battle for Zendikar pre-release on the horizon the most asked question on the internet is “what do I do with my cards from the pre-release?”  There are a few groupings of cards and only a few things that can happen with cards.  Some cards go up, some cards go down, and some cards stay the same.  That’s pretty obvious, right?  What do we do to figure this out?

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Mythic Rares

Mythics usually fall into 1 of two camps.  Either they’re over-priced and going to slowly dip starting shortly after the release of the set, or they’re priced correctly and will spike as soon as demand increases.  You should look to trade away all mythics you don’t intend to use in your decks the weekend of the pre-release or the weekend after the Pro Tour.  Some flashier mythics like planeswalkers can see steep spikes the weekend of the Pro Tour if they see a lot of camera time. Personally, I’ll be looking to hold Gideon, Kiora, Ob Nixilis, Undergrowth Champion, Drana, Ulamog, and Oblivion Sower until after the weekend of the Pro Tour.  I’ll be pretty excited if I can trade my Part the Waterveil, Akoum Firebird, and non-foil copies of Omnath, Locus of Rage at the pre-release.  These mythics have little upside from their current pre-order prices.  If you are not Pucatrading, you should look into it!  You can sign up for it through my referral link here.  Although your local play group might not have a guy that collects phoenixes, there are plenty of people on Pucatrade that will be happy to receive your Akoum Firebird.

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Bulk Rares

Generally anything less than $1 is the kind of bargain bin stuff you’ll not need to keep.  For every sub $1 card that you keep past the pre-release instead of trading it for $0.50 – $0.75 worth of value is one more you are likely to only be able to sell for $0.11 to a buylist.  There are some exceptions to this idea, but generally you will lose a lot more if you hold these cards than you miss out if you don’t.

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Low range rares $1-4

Some of these are criminally under-priced.  Do you remember Hangarback Walker’s pre-order price? $1.99 at most online stores.  Occasionally these cards can break out and become a force in standard but I like to trade them away because their price point likely can’t be sustained after the release date.  I recommend trying to pick them up in December for $0.50-$1 each.  Again, Pucatrade is a great way to spend your Monday after the pre-release to get some value from your winnings.

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High end Rares $5-10

A lot of these cards are likely to become format staples.  Right now, the only cards in this category are Ruinous Path (our Hero’s Downfall replacement), and lands.  Lots and lots of lands.  There are 7 dual lands and they’re all probably going to go spike once new decks start showing up but they will level out just like temples.  I expect most of these cards to movement during the Pro Tour weekend so at this point they aren’t a terrible thing to pre-order for your week 1 standard deck.  I wouldn’t want to trade these cards until the weekend of the Pro Tour.

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Power Uncommons

Most of the $0.75-$1.50 uncommons will be valuable until they get printed as a FNM promo.  I would either trade them away immediately or hold them until Pro Tour weekend.  I’m really interested in picking up people’s extra copies of Crumble to Dust, Retreat to Coralhelm, Trangress the Mind, Statis Snare, Titan’s Presence, Zulaport Cutthroat, and Herald of Kozilek.

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Foils

Foils can very hit or miss.  Honestly, if you find anyone interested in trading for your foils at a reasonable price it’s hard to fault you for getting rid of them.  There are a lot of foils that will not maintain their price (usually on mythic rares) after Magic Online redemption starts.  Standard legal foils are also a lot less likely to move up with the same speed and multiplier on standard only cards.  This is pretty evident on a card like Deathmist Raptor which at the time of this article has a fair trade price of $21.08 for non-foil copies, but only a price of $30.98 for foils.  A meager 1.5x multiplier on a foil Mythic Rare does not reflect the actual rarity of the card.  It is strictly a product of the extremely low demand for foils.  Cards that generally carry much higher multipliers are legendary creatures and lands.  If the multiplier on that foil you open is especially low you can consider holding it.

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Pre-Release Foils

There are going to be a ton of different pre-release promo foils this time.  Every rare in the set is eligible for a foil printing.  This means less impact on the set version of the card but some of these pre-release foils are going to be extraordinarily rare.  I would hang onto any Mythic pre-release foil as there are a lot of collectors that will want it.  I know many people that collect every promo and some that only collect every pre-release promo.  Their has become a lot harder these last few years but they persevere.   I personally was able to trade a pre-release copy of Alhammarret, High Arbiter for $3 on Pucatrade.  That’s a ton for a card that is as bulk as bulk gets and has a $1 foil price.

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Zendikar Expeditions

Yeah I know, you were all waiting for this at the end of the article, right?  Zendikar Expeditions are going to absolutely rock your local pre-release.  The first guy that opens it is going to hoot and holler and it will be a spectacle to see!  But what do you do after the initial shock wears off and it’s sitting in a perfect fit in your binder?  Honestly, I don’t know.  I would keep tabs on twitter and see how people are reacting to the surprise.  We don’t have enough information on store pricing or availability and we have no idea how common or rare they are.  A lot of theory crafting has gone into predicting the price but it won’t mean anything if our assumptions are wrong.  The only way to find out if they are correct is to open booster packs!  Personally, I will be looking at twitter and trying to gauge how often they are being opened.  If it seems like there are 2 or more per pre-release event, it may be time to dump them quickly.  If we hear about entire stores not opening a single one, well then it’s time to frame that beauty and put it on the mantle.  Zendikar Expeditions I expect will be the quickest moving commodity this weekend and the only way to stay ahead is to stay online.

PROTRADER: Battle for Zendikar Set Review – Blue

MTGPrice’s Travis Allen and Sigmund Ausfresser have both covered very well the common-sense idea that the Expeditions lands included in the rare Battle for Zendikar pack will lower prices, both by increasing the number of packs opened by gambling-minded players and adding pricey top-end cards that will put downward pressure on everything else in the set. I agree with their assessments, but you’ve already read all about those factors, so I’m not going to continue to harp on it. Cards in this set will be worth less than they would be should the Expeditions lands not exist. We get it.

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PROTRADER: Battle for Zendikar Set Review – White

It’s that time of year once again. With the Battle for Zendikar release on the horizon, the writers here at MTGPrice have you covered. We’re going through each of the colors in the set and breaking down which cards we anticipate will be strong upon release, which may have a shot in an eternal format, and which are plain, old duds.

This time things are a little different, however. In past sets, there were many possibilities for various cards to “break out” and surge in price relative to their pre-sale price. From Origins, examples include Hangarback Walker and Jace, Vryn’s Prodigy. While cards from Battle for Zendikar may still spike upon release due to an artificially light supply, I’m not so confident we’ll see many real money-makers in the set.Hangarback

The reason? One word: Expeditions.

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Goodbye to Theros, Hello to Holds

Over the weekend, the last Theros legal tournament was held at SCG: Milwaukee. Because of this, many players are going to be looking at getting rid of extraTheros cards that they will no longer need moving forward. Rotation is upon us, so it is time to look at what the future might hold for Theros cards and which ones will be worth holding over the long term.

Target number one, the best of the best from Theros block, is going to be Thoughtseize. I mean, take a look at this history just to get a picture of how in-demand this cards is even with tons of players looking to dump Theros in favor of Battle for Zendikar.

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Rotation hasn’t even made a dent in this card. One would argue that Goblin Rabblemaster is another powerful card from the current Standard, and look at what rotation is doing to it.

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Arguably one of the most powerful cards in Standard is getting kicked in the teeth because of rotation. What does this tell us about Thoughtseize moving forward, a card that we can expect to always see in Modern and Legacy?

  • We’re not going to see much cheaper copies of Thoughtseize around, at least not until the next Modern Masters set is revealed.
  • Players are holding this one, as we’ve been advising to them to do as #mtgfinanciers. The low point for Thoughtseize was $15, so if you bought in then you’re looking pretty good now. The next best time to get out will be during the hype of the next Modern season.
  • Foils are also going to be very in demand, since eternal players like to foil out the various parts of their deck. Surprisingly, the foil copies of Theros Thoughtseize are starting to reach a low point upon this rotation cycle. Check out the price history below:
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We all have a pretty sweet chance to get in on a foil lull for the               card.

All in all, Thoughtseize is looking pretty good as a spec moving forward, as we all know it will be. But what about other maybe non-obvious pickups? Let’s review some of the more talked about cards from the Theros block in reverse order, since Journey into Nyx was opened less and therefore we can predict that cards from this set will be more valuable in the future since fewer packs were cracked for drafting.

Journey into Nyx Current Prices (Non-Foil Top 20)

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Eidolon of the Great Revel is the number one card from this set that you should be targeting if you play any Modern or Legacy. Burn was put back on the map due to the power of EotGR, so picking up copies for future value gains is a good move since players are looking for playsets that want to play them.

Keranos is looking to be the most valuable god from the sets, but I would pick up copies for Commander demand more than anything else. Yes, he does see play in Modern and sometimes Legacy, however I think his effect on these formats is marginal at best, and that most future demand for all the gods in general is going to come from the casual crowd. I would wait a bit to pick up all the gods, about three months from now when rotation prices are going to bottom out as more and more Standard players continue to dump cards like gods. All the gods from JIN are going to be great pickups at this point, as they are the rarest gods by numbers are JIN was the least opened of theTheros sets. A CAVEAT – The enemy colored Commander decks being released this fall could contain one copy of each of these gods. If that is the case, then the JIN gods are going to take a huge hit in value and be suppressed in price for quite some time. Keep this in mind while waiting to pickup gods. Foils are better targets for this reason, at least until we know if they’re in Commander 2015.

Dictate of Erebos is the final mention I’d like to make.  This card is going to be casual gold and is the bottom dollar slow gainer that will make waves over time. It is already almost up to $2 retail with no Standard play and rotation about to happen. Foils will be especially good targets moving forward.

Born of the Gods Current Prices (Non-Foil Top 20)

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Unfortunately there just isn’t anything appealing to me in BNG for pickups moving forward. Brimaz is a great card, it is very efficient for the mana cost, but right now white weenie strategies in Modern just aren’t that great. He will be an amazing Commander, and will even be great in Legacy Death and Taxes, but for Brimaz to carry the bulk of the set’s value is pretty sad and I don’t think he is going to be going over $10 for the foreseeable future.

Even Courser, a Standard powerhouse, is lackluster in eternal formats and is hardly worth picking up right now. Again, Commander applications and sometimes seeing the Courser in Modern/Legacy isn’t going to be enough to make it see significant gains anytime soon.

Since we’re not going to be getting enemy colored Commander decks in the near future, I would feel very comfortable going deep on some of the more popular gods from the set about three months from now. Even with Karametra, you can’t go wrong picking up copies at $2 or less since casuals love these types of big, splashy mythics.

Theros Current Prices (Non-Foil Top 20)

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We’ve already discussed Thoughtseize at length, so let’s take a look at some of the cards in the set with the knowledge that they are going to be the most suppressed since Theros was open the most of the sets in the Theros block.

Ashiok is a sweet card, one that has applicability both because of Modern and Battle for Zendikar’s Eldrazi Ingest theme. I don’t think the card is going to get much cheaper than $6-$7 per copy, since UB Mill is a thing with casual kitchen table Magic. Picking up plenty of copies in anticipation of future demand is a fine move. On the other hand, I’m not so keen on Theros Elspeth due to the Duel Deck printing so I would advise to avoid these cards since there are tons more Elspeths than Ashioks out there.

Both foil and non-foil versions of Nykthos have started seeing upward movement upon rotation, and for good reason – this card is a Cabal Coffers for any color that is also Modern legal. I mean, the foil has already spiked and it hasn’t even left Standard yet! Pick up your copies now before the next season’s Modern deck is going to make non-foils spike as well.

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Master of Waves has a great Modern advantage due to being featured in Merfolk, one the top decks of the format. Foils are great targets, but even nonfoils at $4 and less are going to look good a while from now.

Monocolored gods, like their BOG and JIN bretheren, are also going to be nice pickups for future gains. Some will gain more than others as we see how they fit into Commander moving forward, but foils of each should be nice collector’s items in the future. If you want foils to finish out Commander decks than rotation is going to be the best time to get deals on these cards.

Final Thoughts

So there you have my thoughts about Theros since rotation is upon us. Is there anything else you guys think I should be mentioning, or that I glossed over that has more applications than I think? What are you guys targeting for rotation, and how deep are you? Personally, I’m looking to start picking up foil Theros Thoughtseize since I think it will be one of the more solid places to park value, but maybe I’m overlooking a cheaper option. As always, let me know in the comments and thanks for reading.

 

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