23 thoughts on “Thinking About Modern Masters II”

1. Modern Masters 2015 will only include cards through Scars of Mirrodin block

   1. Yes, and I actually had written this article last week before that information was revealed!

      So any cards that are after New Phyrexia you can just skip over them lol.

2. nice article, cleared up some of my fears. But I strongly believe the new phyrexia and mirrodin swords will be there to further justify the $10 dollar MSRP on each pack. $10 dollars is a lot for a single pack.

   1. I’m still trying to reconcile these two facts:

      — The primary purpose of MM is to lower the entry cost to the Modern format.

      — $10/pack.

      1. Vendors immediately bumped up the price they charged to about this, maybe WotC figured to cut out the middle man so to speak. That said wonder if vendors bump up to $15.

      2. Talking about the bump to MM1

3. I saw the video with Ben Hayes, both designer and devoloper of MM 2015 Edition.

   “Mirrodin to New Phyrexia”
   (No Innistrad, thus no Snapcaster Mage or Geist of Saint Traft)

   “The new sets are all of Zendikar block, M10, M11 and all of Scars of Mirrodin block. I can tell you the exciting cards are in. Draft is the same style as the original Modern Masters where strong two color archetypes with cross synergy.”

   (Metalcraft is definitely in due to the Etched Champion spoiler and Sneak/Ramp is in due to Emrakul.)

   Metalcraft – Notable risks of reprint are Mox Opal, Steel Overseer, Inkmoth Nexus, Cranial Plating and Signal Pest.

   Tron – Urza lands would be terrible for draft so these are out.

   Sneak – Notable risks of reprint are Elvish Piper, Through the Breach and Fist of Suns. The only problem with this strat is the sneak spells are rare and hard to draft for this archtype, thus Emrakul will need reliant ramps to get off the ground.

   Ramp – Explore, Harrow, Cultivate, Lotus Cobra and/or Noble Hierarch. Harrow is huge with landfall and it would be a shame for cards like Avenger of Zendikar, Bloodghast, Groundswell and Valakut be left out.

   Ok…are we now finally going to get that Damnation reprint?

   1. Good insight, I had written the article before Sunday so some of the cards I’m guessing would clearly be a no after that reveal.

      Damnation would be good in this set, at mythic of course knowing Wizards.

      Since you mentioned Inkmoth Nexus I wonder if they will make Infect an archetype…. *shudder*

4. Great overview of the cards that could be potentially reprinted in Modern Masters 2. I’ll certainly be checking back on your very useful table a lot in the next few months while trading /researching my own articles.

5. If accessibility is part of WotC’s reasoning for this set I see no reason they wouldn’t reprint cards from MM1 that are still cost prohibitive for entry into the format. Tarmogoyf, Dark Confidant, Vendillion Clique, and Cryptic Command are all cards that will help sell packs and are still expensive enough that I don’t foresee them being left out.

   1. That’s a great point, they could use this product to consistently reprint Goyf, Bob, Clique, C. Command, and other cards that are format staples.

      I wonder how many copies of Goyf and Bob they would need to reprint in order to drastically reduce the price? If C. Command is at rare again the price will significantly drop. Another reprint of Clique would also lower its price significantly.

6. There is no sense putting Zendikar fetches in MM2015.
   It would imbalance the land cycle in the Khans block and current standard.

   The Zendikar fetches will be in Dragons of Tarkir because Aaron Forscythe indicated that lands for current sets are printed in the full 10 cycle across the block. Onslaught fetches were already printed and will rotate with the painlands from M15. Once the Zen fetches are in Dragons and the opposite set of painlands are in M16, they will rotate together and will supplement the standard mana cycles once M15/Khanslaught rotate together. It will also support potentially one of the best standard PTs by providing Full 10 painlands, scrylands and fetchlands in Pro Tour M16.

   The rest I agree on.
   but $10 MSRP? thats a bit steep for a booster pack that could contain a bulk $0.50 rare like MM1. Might actually be better off with lottery tickets at this point lol

   MM felt like it was worth picking up at $7-10 per pack, as some packs you’d lose, and some you would easily double or triple your value.. and every pack had that chance at a Goyf.
   Then it became $12, I refused to buy… then $20 (not that bad of a deal!).. then GPs/PTQs offering drafts for $40.. That’s a steal! Glad I got my box for $160 when I could.

   1. I want to believe the Zendikar fetches will be in Fate Reforged/Dragons of Tarkir, but having both fetches in the same standard format would slow it to a crawl due to all the shuffling.

      1. That may be true, but if Wizards could print money, don’t you think they would? Khans of Tarkir has already sold what is it now, 50% more than Theros or RTR?

         Who cares if shuffling takes longer, it’s just going to make people play faster or result in potential draws.

         Oh no, standard may be like modern/legacy with the amount of shuffling… 🙂

7. So what do you think’s gonna happen to the price of the MM1 boxes in my closet?

   1. Depends on how good MM ’15 draft environment is compared to the first MM. If the first MM has a better draft environment that players agree is better than MM ’15, your box will go up in value more quickly than it would otherwise.

      The box will maintain value from a collector’s perspective, but think of the Innistrad scenario – Innistrad boxes went up much quicker in value than similar time frame sets due to awesome limited environment.

8. No mention of Horizon Canopy? I feel it probably should have the spot Grove of the Burnwillows got, as its never been reprinted in any supplemental product and fills a spot in a lot of decks- many who haven’t bothered with its synergy or havent discovered it its potential in, say, dredge, miracles, etc. Way over price inflated due solely to scarcity in a single old set. I think its highly likely in MM2 (hope so, anyway!)

   1. Good call, an oversight on my part since it is really only seen in Bogles and in Legacy Maverick lists. Definitely has an overinflated price though!

9. What are your thoughts on Thoughtseize (pretty sure LSV already used that, but oh well)? I guess the likelihood of a reprint is relatively low due to Theros, but OTOH it is widely played (also in Legacy), comes from Lorwyn, doesn’t distort limited and the price has started creeping up again. If Bob, Goyf, Cryptic command and other staples from MM1 are possible candidates for reprinting, how long do you think Thoughtseize is safe from it – and what does that mean for its price trajectory?

   1. Thoughtseize could see a reprint in an event deck, that would be the only place I would see it getting reprinted again for a while (at least until MM 2017 or whatever). Getting the Standard treatment usually prevents a card from getting reprinted for quite a while again.

      Thoughtseize may see a dip when Theros rotates but I highly doubt it. This means that its price will slowly go up over time, with the occasional spike, until the next reprint. Being in Standard will stabilize its price for the time being.

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12. How much do you think a reprint of Bob in mm2 would affect it’s value? Thinking about buying in on 4 at 35$ / card. (Sp quality) it seems like it should be a very good buy but I’m worried.

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