The Right Time To Buy, And The Right Time To Sell

Today, Marvel Super Heroes gets unlocked in retail centers, and while some product has trickled onto the market before this morning, the stores haven’t officially been allowed to sell product to individuals yet. There’s some out there, but not a lot, not till today, and today will begin a busy time indeed. 

The first weekend of a set can offer some very interesting possibilities, and can be an excellent time for both purchases and selling, so let’s go over the timing of a few things, what has happened before and what might happen shortly.

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Cliff (@WordOfCommander at Twitter and BlueSky) has been writing for MTGPrice since 2013, and is an eager Commander player, Draft enthusiast, and Cube fanatic. A high school science teacher by day, he’s also the co-host of the MTG Fast Finance podcast. If you’re ever at an event and you see a giant flashing ‘CUBE DRAFT’ sign, go over, say hi, and be ready to draft.

The Mana Math Of Marvel Super Heroes

Welcome back to the Mana Math series, where I take the avalanche of information Wizards gives us and try to make sense of drop rates and how easy it will be to get certain cards from Collector Boosters. 

Marvel Super Heroes has several art variations, and frustratingly, Source Material cards that use the same set code as the Spider-Man cards. Presumably, this will carry on into the next sets of cards, and if the Marvel experiment goes the full six years, that’s a ton of cards over a wide timeframe all with the same code. Yuck.

Still, there’s numbers to analyze and estimates to make, so let’s dive into some data. 

Most of my information is taken off of the Collecting Marvel Super Heroes article, though with a lot of clicking around. They are required to give us the drop rates in booster packs as percentages, but they don’t take it to the next logical level and tell us the packs. Party because they don’t have to, and partly because saying it’s a percentage makes it feel like we have more of a chance.

Humans are so frequently gamblers, I don’t see why they bother. 

In case you want to check my math: Take the percent chance for that category, divide by the number of potential cards, and then take the inverse of the result. It’s not more complicated than that, though it does unlock a lot of other analysis. I like to include the cost if you’re buying packs at retail as well, just to remind you that if you want singles, buy singles. Don’t open packs looking for a specific card. You’re always going to lose money. 

We’re going to focus on rares and mythics, if you want to talk uncommons, drop me a line on the ProTrader Discord or other social media and I’ll get you what you’re looking for. All of these stats are from the Collector Boosters, where the sweetest cards live.

First, the nonfoils in special frames :

Note this does include the double-sided mythics, which got separated into another slot for some reason.

Also, I don’t understand why this has 4.5% for the Source Material, when there’s a separate slot dedicated to that subset, with a 25%/75% split, that’s every 80 packs for a nonfoil and every 240 for a foil.

It’s also notable that the Mythic Rare Scene Nonfoils are 1/306, while the foils are 1/250. That’s 20% harder to find, but you can be certain that the foils are likely to be more expensive than the nonfoils because that’s how we’re programmed.

Now the traditional foils, in the regular frame:

As you’ll see, moving the five DFCs to a different slot this way bumped the # of packs needed significantly, making the DFC Mythics the hardest things to open from these packs that isn’t a special Mind Stone. 

And finally, Booster Fun Foil: 

These drop rates are pretty reasonable, all things considered. The weirdest thing, as previously mentioned, is how DFC Mythic Panels/Logos are way up above 1/350, and the non-DFC are 1 in 200/222 in Collector Boosters.

Now I realize that you’re looking for the drop rate of the Gauntlet version of The Mind Stone, and the Cosmic version as well. The Cosmic version is limited to around 150 copies, per official statements, so that’s a pretty damn rare drop.

The Gauntlet version is trickier to estimate. However, we can do that in a roundabout way to get a very rough estimate. If the Cosmic Soul Stone is going for around $30,000, and the Gauntlet has an average price of $1500, that’s a nice 20:1 ratio. I understand that’s not a perfect way to gauge how many of each are in circulation, but if you get better data, do let me know.

At 20:1, that means there’s roughly 3,000 Gauntlets out there. Back in the Mana Math of Spider-Man, I estimated 19:1 using a different method, so I don’t think I’m too far off. From here, it’s all about the estimated print run. We know that the first LOTR was a print run of 3.3 million Collector Boosters (they told us the exact % of 1/1 The One Ring dropping) and now that we’re two years later, I’m figuring a nice round 5 million. That’s a 33% increase over the two years, and if that feels high, well, let me know what data you have.

If there are 5 million Collector Booster packs, it’ll take 1,667 packs to open a Gauntlet stone. At 4 million, it’s 1,333 packs. At these drop rates, you could open 2,000 packs, get none or three, and that falls within accepted limits. Just multiply those odds by 20 if you want the estimate for the packs to open a Cosmic Stone. Side note: at 3.3 million, the most conservative estimate of Collector Booster print runs, it would cost $836,000 at retail prices to open enough packs, and again, that’s a should on the packs. No guarantees.

One thing that I’ve been asked about, and want to clarify: If there are more versions, that does affect the total number of a card in circulation, at least from Collector Boosters. Let’s take an example: The Ten Rings vs. King T’Challa.

The Ten Rings has a regular version and Panel version, while King T’Challa has those plus a logo and a scene printing. Those special versions are 1/357 pulls, and if we go back to the 5 million estimate, that’s about 14,000 copies of each version, for a total of 28,000 more special foils in existence. Keep in mind playability matters above all else, but if there’s a ton of special versions out there, that does keep the overall price a bit lower.

As ever, please, don’t open these packs chasing a specific card. These are sealed lottery tickets, and collectibles all their own, but do not ever get one of these and crack it thinking you’ll make all your money back. You’d be better off buying one of everything and just sitting on it than going for the high-variance route of opening the packs. 

Again, if you want to talk about my methods, estimations, or results, please look me up on the ProTrader Discord, or reach out on social media.

Cliff (@WordOfCommander at Twitter and BlueSky) has been writing for MTGPrice since 2013, and is an eager Commander player, Draft enthusiast, and Cube fanatic. A high school science teacher by day, he’s also the co-host of the MTG Fast Finance podcast. If you’re ever at an event and you see a giant flashing ‘CUBE DRAFT’ sign, go over, say hi, and be ready to draft.

Are We Buying The Cats Are The Best Superdrop?

A while back, there was a contest with the Secret Lair website, to give a definitive answer of which is better: dogs or cats. Cats won, and now we get a Secret Lair focused on cats. There were a lot of ways this drop could have gone, with generic cute cats, terrifying jungle predators, or prehistoric sabertooth tigers. Instead, we got a couple of IP from generations ago, and some interesting card choices. Let’s talk about each of the eight drops and what’s worth it.

All of these drops are at $30 for the nonfoils and $40 for the foils. I expect that the shift for all Lairs to start at $40/$50 to happen in the not-too-distant future, but it’s nice that these are relatively cheap for now.

For each drop, I’ve listed the EDHREC number, and the reasonable price for a premium version, discounting stuff like Artist Proofs, 7th edition foils, or serialized cards. Please remember that EDHREC’s inclusion rate is biased towards cards that are in preconstructed decks, from the number of folks who upload a deck with a small handful of changes. It’s good data, but not perfect data, since so many players don’t bother to upload their decks. 

CardEDHREC DecksPremium Version Price
Rin and Seri, Inseparable86,000$50
Orim’s Chant43,000$40
Ponder415,000$12
Beast Within388,000$5
Sol Ring1,300,000Too many

I have issues with the choice of Garfield for Magic cards. It’s true he’s a cat, and that’s the theme, but this is a choice that reads old above all else. The list of famous cats is not a huge one, especially when you account for the popularity of the IP and therefore the price. Could this have been a Hello Kitty drop? Sure, but WotC likely wasn’t willing to pony up for that. Same with Lion King/Disney or Puss in Boots/ Dreamworks sort of thing. We could have gotten some Internet meme cats, I suppose.

Garfield is recognizable, and likely wasn’t too pricey to license, so that’s what we’ve got. The Rin and Seri is the best card price-wise, since the double-sided and the Lisa Frank versions are both in the $50 range, and the card is remarkably popular as a Commander, just outside the top 20 of the last two years. The other four cards will all end up in the $5-$10 range, so this Lair is likely a break-even and slow to gain over time. 

CardEDHREC DecksPremium Version Price
Swords to Plowshares1,020,000~$150–300
Counterspell670,000~$150–300
Dark Ritual360,000~$200–500
Earthquake52,000~$150–400
Fog41,000~$100–250

Top marks for the Richard Garfield meme crossover here, but this is a thoroughly lame drop. I listed the wide range of prices for versions including Alpha, but the inclusion numbers are not good for Fog and Quake, even if these are the first special frames for either of these cards. We’ve got so so many versions of these OG cards that this version just won’t break through. Pass.

CardEDHREC DecksPremium Version Price
It That Betrays115,000$60
Maddening Cacophony77,000$20
Maddening Hex49,000$7
Hunter’s Insight67,000$1.50
Molten Collapse24,000$1

The value is here. The Eldrazi has never had a special frame, though it’s got a Secret Lair version with the full frame. Cacophony should hold at $10+, and the rest are leftovers. If you want to wait and get only the singles in Dump Week, I understand, and if you want to nab the Lairs and get foil full-art copies at $40, I am with you. I’m leaning towards Dump Week, but both are defensible positions.

CardEDHREC DecksPremium Version Price
Court of Grace87,800$15
Reverent Mantra3,820$8
Windborn Muse71,000$12
Queen Marchesa74,000$25
Ruinous Ultimatum185,000$10

I think this is a secretly-strong Lair. The cards are rather mid, but Vanessa Stockard has a big following online and if you like sassy black cats (as a ton of people do), this is your jam. I’m planning on getting a few of these, mainly for the art. I’ve bemoaned before when great art gets mediocre cards, and this is another example of the phenomenon. 

CardEDHREC DecksPremium Version Price
Sheltered by Ghosts28,000$8
Spirit of the Hearth9,500$6
Witch Enchanter42,000$5
Wayfarer’s Bauble485,000$20
Boseiju, Who Shelters All63,000$20

Boseiju looks like it should anchor this drop, but the best comparison is the neon Secret Lair version from 2022, still all over the place under $20. Bauble just got a full-art version at MagicCon Vegas,, and the rest of these are not popular at all. Neat art, but not really cat-focused and so I feel confident this is a pass. 

CardEDHREC DecksPremium Version Price
Future Sight76,000$25
Time Stretch73,000$25
Barrowgoyf12,000$15
Throes of Chaos18,000$3
Mind’s Eye132,000$20

Speaking of properties that read as old, Felix got famous in the pre-sound era of films, then big again in 1958-1961, two seasons on CBS in 1995-1997 and was last seen in a pair of direct-to-video (yes, that’s VHS, that’s how old this character is!) releases, one in 1989 and one in 2004. Suffice to say, if I have issues with the choice of Garfield, then I have a lifetime subscription on order when it comes to using this character on Magic cards.

We just got Time Stretch in a Lair not two months ago, and that nonfoil is still on the SL website. The Mind’s Eye is reprinted in the Marvel Commander decks, and so this Lair has the awful combo of forgotten IP and mediocre cards. I will be buying none of this.

CardEDHREC DecksPremium Version Price
Sovereign Okinec Ahau29,000$10
Trailblazer’s Boots220,000$8
Long Goodbye8,500$3
Farseek1,010,000$12
Prismatic Vista355,000$65

Vista is the clear winner here, and I think the Sovereign is going to be surprising. The rest of these are filler, but this is a surefire way to get a foil borderless Prismatic Vista for less than it would cost to get a pack foil from MH3. I like the art, it’s nicely whimsical and visually unique enough, but if Vista were swapped with just about any other land I would care a whole lot less. I’ll try to get some of these.

CardEDHREC DecksPremium Version Price
Fell the Mighty56,000$4
Aggravated Assault186,000$35
Chaos Warp730,000$20
Utopia Sprawl214,000$12
Aura Shards177,000$25

This drop is pretty much what I’d have expected when you tell me ‘Secret Lair of Cats.’ Art showing cats doing cat things, chaotic and playful. The Aura Shards where it’s stealing the Sol Ring is top notch. Assault is a solid anchor for the Lair, plus the good Shards, and this Lair should do well. I’ll add a few of these to my cart too.

We’ve been given the bundle prices too. The All-Foil is $20 off the regular prices, the All Non-Foil is $15 off, and a one of everything saves you a total of $40. Your percentage of discounts runs about 6%-8%, depending on the bundle, but given the quality of the drops, I’m very leery of the bundles as specs.

I think this drop could have been more successful if they had skipped the Garfield and Felix IP completely, and run with housecats as a theme. Cats of Chaos shows what the theme is capable of, and the card quality is good there too. It’s so frustrating when a Superdrop shows both what was possible and also screws that up badly.

We’ve got one drop that shows a black cat. Give me an orange cat themed lair. Give me some internet memes. Show cats being afraid of pickles, of tinfoil, or of them chasing a laser pointer. The Internet is 28% funny cat videos, and we get Felix the Cat!

I get that Wizards doesn’t want to over-juice Lairs these days, letting art and FOMO do a lot of the heavy lifting, but they have gone distinctly mid in the card choices here, since only two of the cards in the whole Drop (Prismatic Vista and Aggravated Assault) is $20+ in the base version.

Overall, this is a drop with some stuff worth getting and some worth skipping. I want to get the Toby drop, mainly for the Vistas, and I like the art of Purr Majesty a whole lot, plus the Cats of Chaos is super solid, so those are on my agenda. I’m leaning towards going for the It That Betrays as a single during Dump Week, as I feel confident I’ll be able to get some of those near $40, preferably less. I might look for the new Rin and Seri that week too, but otherwise, I don’t feel like I have to hurry and get this drop. Three I want to buy, one more target for Dump Week sounds good.

There is a counter-case to be made here, sometimes a Lair doesn’t sell well, they yank it off the site, and then the ones that got picked up resell for a surprising amount. There’s been less of that lately, so I’m less and less worried about that happening. Especially for a drop like this, which uses Garfield and Felix the Cat! I got suckered into buying Ghostbusters Lairs on personal nostalgia, but that’s not here and I’m not buying in this time.

Cliff (@WordOfCommander at Twitter and BlueSky) has been writing for MTGPrice since 2013, and is an eager Commander player, Draft enthusiast, and Cube fanatic. A high school science teacher by day, he’s also the co-host of the MTG Fast Finance podcast. If you’re ever at an event and you see a giant flashing ‘CUBE DRAFT’ sign, go over, say hi, and be ready to draft.

Four New Marvel Legends And Their Matching Specs

There’s a lot of cool stuff in the set. 

Some of the new cards do new things in a new color, and that can set off a whole set of spikes. Let’s look at what has been previewed so far, and some potential specs. Many of the legends that were previewed early, like Doctor Doom, King of Latveria, I’ve already written about and we’ll see if any of those specs get there. (Come on, Mesmeric Trance!)

I’ve chosen four of the new legends, cards that do a neat thing in a way not really done before. No promises that these are the only legends people want to build around, just my first pass. 

Squirrel Girl is an early favorite, and that’s because there hasn’t been a Commander who collects Squirrels this way. Chatterfang isn’t a Squirrel-based creature, and the BG legends from Bloomburrow never took off. Squirrel Girl goes infinite with a couple of different cards, and those are the first targets.

Earthcraft – The ProTrader Discord picked up on this early, and bought out many of the copies available on TCGPlayer, and it’s a one-card, four-Squirrel, infinite-rodent machine. Earthcraft has long been a combo card, and this is the newest card to make use of it. 

Cryptolith Rite/Enduring Vitality/Springleaf Parade – Green needs some way to give haste plus a way to make tokens tap for mana.

Supportive Parents – It’s a version of Earthcraft, but you need to start with eight Squirrels. This is an uncommon, and there’s a boatload of them on TCGPlayer, so it might be tough to make money on this. 

Chitterspitter – Lots of random cards that are Squirrels or refer to Squirrels will spike. This should be among them.

Nut Collector – There’s a foil borderless Dominaria Remastered version that should especially go up.

Krosan Beast – Magic players love a good joke, and it won’t take many purchases to make this go up, considering the small quantities out there.

Shuri, the Black Panther is an artifact commander based in GW, which doesn’t get a lot of love. That said, this color combo can do more than just destroy artifacts! Please keep in mind that there is still a decklist to be released for this one, and some of these specs might be reprinted.

Merry, Warden of Isengard – This being from the LTC set means it’s already under pressure from The Hobbit set that’s incoming, and it’ll be popular for adding a swarm component to Shuri’s ability.

Argivian Archaeologist – Being on the Reserved List means it’s already pricey, but if Shuri gets popular, a handful of sales will make this take off.

Brilliant Restoration – One thing UR artifact decks don’t have is mass reanimate like this. 

Hanna’s Custody – Or mass protection like this. Much depends on if you want to target your own stuff.

Illustrious Wanderglyph – Already near $20, I strongly think this will be in the deck.

Machinist’s Arsenal – This should avoid a reprint, since it is from Final Fantasy.

Oswald Fiddlebender – I don’t know if there’s restrictions on Wizards reprinting D&D-themed cards, but this is another strong candidate for the deck.

Scourglass – Notably, this will destroy Shuri but leave most of your deck intact.

Thousand-Moon Smithy – A great card in artifact decks!

The Prydwen, Steel Flagship – Just an amazing set of synergies for the deck. More fodder, and fodder that grows when you do the thing you want to do!

MODOK is very good at what he does, which is entering play and immediately going to work as a connive effect. This allows you to do two things: Draw cards and Discard cards. I wonder what we can abuse here…

Maha, Its Feathers Night – A combo indeed, making it so your opponents’ creatures all just die and stay dead and die as soon as they enter play. Indestructible doesn’t mean what it used to!

Sheoldred, the Apocalypse – Already a great commander card, this turbocharges MODOK in a wonderful way. 

Syr Konrad, the Grim – Make those discards count!

Bone Miser – Turn your discards into profit!

Starving Revenant – A great way to put the engine into overdrive!

Cryptcaller Chariot – Since this makes Zombies, you can add a third combo piece and really go to town. 

Feast of Sanity – Slow your life loss and increase someone else’s pain all at once!

Starscream, Power Hungry – This takes some doing, but if you’re the monarch and Starscream is in the proper mode, MODOK becomes a killing machine.

Photon rewards you for having lots of creatures, and casting noncreature spells. Sounds like a recipe for everything that makes token creatures and isn’t a creature! (Warning: in early testing, this deck turned into a calculus problem. Lots of dice and InfiniTokens required.)

Monastery Monk/Young Pyromancer/Prismari Pianist/Anim Pakal – Pakal wants stuff to attack, but the rest of these want you to just cast spells and make more things. Easy enough!

Forth Eorllingas! – There’s no shortage of good X spells for this deck, but this is among the best, giving you a hasty army and likely the monarchy. 

Rise of the Hobgoblins – Another great X spell for the deck, it also can make your stuff a lot less profitable to block.

Warleader’s Call – Purphoros dealing 2 is also a card to think about, but the Call is just climbing up and up.

Champions from Beyond – So many plans in one, this gives you tokens, and bonuses for attacking with the whole mess of them!

Angelic Aberration – A ‘win more’ card, but a great way to upgrade your tokens from 1/1 on the ground to 4/4 in the air.

Divine Visitation – Or you could skip the middle step!

Wildfire Awakener – One of my favorite ‘win more’ cards ever, this turns your batch of tokens into twice that many tokens, which tap for damage!

This list is by no means exhaustive, and there are likely to be other legends that pop off and form a whole new alliance. When they go off, keep track of everything via our ProTrader Discord, and the profits will follow.

Cliff (@WordOfCommander at Twitter and BlueSky) has been writing for MTGPrice since 2013, and is an eager Commander player, Draft enthusiast, and Cube fanatic. A high school science teacher by day, he’s also the co-host of the MTG Fast Finance podcast. If you’re ever at an event and you see a giant flashing ‘CUBE DRAFT’ sign, go over, say hi, and be ready to draft.

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