The Mana Math of MTG x FINAL FANTASY: How To Get That Sweet Card?

Welcome to the latest installment of Mana Math, where I take a bunch of facts and figures that Wizards dumps on us and I turn it into a simple, understandable answer to the burning question: How hard is it to get the cards we want?

The math is pretty straightforward, but Wizards likes to obfuscate things, because they don’t want us to know specifics. As an example, thanks to The One Ring and the other serialized cards, we know exactly how many Collector Booster packs they printed of both the Holiday Edition and the summer edition. And from there, we know how many copies there are of each mythic, rare, uncommon and common from those packs. 

They don’t like it when we know all of that, so they try to hide a lot of it, but they are required by assorted laws to print your odds for each potential pull. So let’s break down the numbers, and see what we can see. 

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Cliff (@WordOfCommander at Twitter and BlueSky) has been writing for MTGPrice since 2013, and is an eager Commander player, Draft enthusiast, and Cube fanatic. A high school science teacher by day, he’s also the co-host of the MTG Fast Finance podcast. If you’re ever at a GP and you see a giant flashing ‘CUBE DRAFT’ sign, go over, say hi, and be ready to draft.

MTG x Final Fantasy: Specs for Cloud and Tifa’s deck: Limit Break

Hello again and welcome back, this time we need to talk about the Final Fantasy 7 Commander deck, whose leaders are Cloud, Ex-Soldier and Tifa, Martial Artist. Like the other decks, there’s a very clear strategy, and this time it revolves around creatures, big creatures, and smashing the hell out of the rest of the table. 

I’ve got a list of things that I think will help you build the deck, and which have a very good chance of inclusion. Even better will be the things that spike as a result. (Please see recent spikes based on my article for Yuna and Tidus for examples of money that could be made.)

So let’s talk about the implied relationship that stands head and above every other will-they-or-won’t-they in gaming history, and the cards you want to add to their deck. 

If you want to run Tifa or Cloud as your commander, your plans aren’t too far apart. 

Both of them give you a delightful bonus for attacking and hitting with a creature with 7+ power, and they give you value in different ways. I like Tifa better, but that’s a personal thing, both are good. They both want big, buff creatures, and reward you nicely for doing so. Tifa really wants trample, Cloud really wants equipped creatures to attack. 

Sylvok Battle-Chair/Colossal Dreadmask will be a good card, but this would be a bulk buylist play and that’s not always where you want to be. Both of them do the thing for our power couple nicely, but if you can play something to give all your creatures just one more power, they get a lot better in Tifa’s deck. There’s a lot of free equipping going on (more on that later) and so I want to get a built-in creature to go with it. 

Batterskull (2XM borderless foil $7) – Speaking of living weapon/job select/For Mirrodin! cards, this is another one that does everything you want. Vigilance plus lifelink is a big-time rattlesnake effect, and this version is by far the sweetest. 

Kaldra Compleat (pack foil $13, sketch foil $10) – There is a Spotlight Series for $120+ but I don’t think it’s worth buying as a speculative purchase. Those might go up, as it takes only four purchases to clear out everything under $700, but since I’m not the one who can shift demand that heavily, I prefer the lower-tier cards to go from $10 to $25, as the sketch foils might. This gives every stat you might want, is tough to remove, and is reasonably priced. Getting this onto either commander seems like a good reason to fold up and start a new game.

Hexplate Wallbreaker (reg/EA $5, no foils) – If there’s one thing Commander players love, it’s having a commander that does something, and then picking up all the cards that do the same thing. We love bonuses. The really great thing is that this ability works with Tifa, so after your first attack phase, you’ll get two more attacks. Untapping is not going to happen for each of those, sadly. 

Loxodon Warhammer (SLD foil $10) – Adding three power is the magic number for both of them, and while a classic, you especially want trample on Tifa. Lifelink is great, as is a premium version of one of the best equipment ever. 

O-Naginata (2XM foil 50¢, SOK foil $5) – I wish there was a sweet version of this to go after, but again, adding three power is where both legends are happiest and this time it is as cheap as can be, no need for ways to cheat the equip cost. 

Tenza, Godo’s Maul (bulk) – CHK foils are $25+ and likely not worth the chase, but it’s a fantastic card to have in there, giving all the bonuses you could ask for. Godo has had a premium version printed, but not his favorite method of bashing heads. 

Ace’s Baseball Bat (WHO Surge foil $1) – Same idea, two mana, three power, one to equip. First Strike on attack is a nice bonus, and getting the sweet version for a buck is a real bump too.

Commander’s Plate (SLD Rainbow Foil $32) – I want the Marvel version, as the other SLD foil is $50+ and I think this can get there. Giving either legend protection from blue and black is a fantastic mode, and while you’d like to be immune from Path or Swords, this covers most of your other bases. 

Robe of Stars (reg/EA $16) – Phasing is incredibly underplayed. You want to be able to keep your things safe, and this is a super unfair way to do that. Keep in mind that you won’t have to re-equip this when your creature and equipment all phase back in. Both versions are about the same price, as is common on these Commander set printings that only have regular and EA versions, so buy whichever you like. One won’t get much more expensive than the other.

Sunforger (MM2 and 2XM foils $6) – If you’ve never played with this card, it’s one of the most incredible things you can do. Free equip triggers are extra wonderful with this card, and the blowout potential is huge. For two mana, you get to find lot out there, but there are *really* good spell packages to put together. Some examples: Swords to Plowshares, Teferi’s Protection, Chaos Warp, Great Train Heist (or other Spree cards, you pay extra costs but can go wild), Akroma’s Will, Deflecting Swat, Wear/Tear, and my personal favorite, Reprieve. No one expects that in a Naya Equipment deck!

Caduceus, Staff of Hermes (ACR etched $7) – Is this an unfair card in a format where you start at 40 life? Sure is. Do some video game crossover action and wreck the table. Whenever we’ve had pack foil, EA foil, and etched foil, the etched tends to jump in price first, so that’s the version I’m targeting here. 

Behemoth Sledge (PIP Surge Foil $5) – This doesn’t put Cloud into seven power, but Tifa will get there on the attack. The Surge foil is the sweetest version to be had, and both of them will hit hard and gain you a lot of life in the process. 

Privileged Position (2XM borderless $5) – You need a very good reason to leave this out of any deck with green and white in the identity. It’s unfair, but that’s in the card’s name. Given the art, the age, and the usage, I’m shocked at how cheap this is right now. 

Iroas, God of Victory (SLD foil $34) – Really, this has it all. Seven power when alive, gives two great abilities to your attackers, and there’s even a sweet constellation version to get before it gets too expensive. 

Cliff (@WordOfCommander at Twitter and BlueSky) has been writing for MTGPrice since 2013, and is an eager Commander player, Draft enthusiast, and Cube fanatic. A high school science teacher by day, he’s also the co-host of the MTG Fast Finance podcast. If you’re ever at a GP and you see a giant flashing ‘CUBE DRAFT’ sign, go over, say hi, and be ready to draft.

Evaluating the MTG X Final Fantasy Secret Lair Drop

If you’ve been thinking, ‘Golly, I have too much money to spend on Magic’ then I have some news for you! It turns out that the Magic: the Gathering X Final Fantasy Secret Lair drop is coming out on June 9th, and it is a doozy. 

The current Secret Lair drop, the ‘ran-out-of-names’ Ultimate Pencil Superdrop, nothing is even tagged as low stock. I freely admit I skipped this, between my buying up Dragonscale fetches and saving for assorted Final Fantasy goodies. The Final Fantasy drops are not going to have that problem, not one bit. 

Let’s go over the three drops, the two finishes, the two languages, three bundles, and one promo card, and figure out what is worth buying. 

First, let’s talk about the three drops, before we get into finishes and languages. 

For each card, I’m going to list any special versions, the price of those versions, and the EDHREC inclusion. This should give us a good baseline for the card’s value and demand pattern. For this article, I’m referring to ‘premium’ as a borderless frame. Lots of these cards have special art but the normal frame, or maybe a retro frame, or perhaps a special foiling over a normal frame. Those are good, but they aren’t as special.

The price for each lair is the standard $30 nonfoil, $40 rainbow foil that we’ve come to expect under most circumstances.

Secret Lair x FINAL FANTASY: Game Over

Premium Version(s)EDHREC # of decks
Day of JudgementFracture foil ($95)
Mystical Archive ($18)
MPR textless foil ($23)
50,000
Temporal Extortion Pack foil $73 (PLC)10,000
Toxic Deluge2XM Borderless foil ($37)2XM Etched foil ($20)543,000
Praetor’s GraspSLD 2022 – Kamigawa Manga ($18)
Pack foil (NPH) ($60)
67,000
Star of ExtinctionCMM Etched foil ($6)
Pack foil (XLN) ($3)
29,000
Bonus: Feed the Swarm WHO surge foil ($15)524,000

We’re off with probably one of the biggest locks in a while. Four of these cards don’t have a premium version yet, and I didn’t know Grasp was so popular. The art on all of these is top-notch, and even if you don’t recognized the scene/villain/game, collectors will.

I would buy this just for the Deluge and the Swarm cards, due to massive Commander demand, and the other cards are just extra dessert. People will be looking for excuses to play Sephiroth’s Meteorfall in decks, and you get other goodies to go with it. I don’t need a lot of words to tell you that I’m really impressed here and I expect this to mature nicely.

Secret Lair x FINAL FANTASY: Grimoire

Premium Version(s)EDHREC # of decks
Prismatic EndingSPG foil ($10)3000
Cyclonic RiftRVR Borderless Foil ($165)
2XM Borderless Foil ($70)
760,000 (Game Changer)
DamnDSC Promo ($5)217,000
Lightning BoltToo many to list, most around $5309,000
Heroic InterventionMarvel Borderless ($17)
WHO Surge FEA ($11)
830,000
Bonus: SilenceSLD Princess Bride foil ($38)
SLD Toons foil ($11)
171,000

Speaking of locks, you could offer me just about any drop with five of six cards being in the EDHREC six digits and I’d be interested, sight unseen. This drop carries a small amount of burnout risk, as Prismatic’s SPG slot was MH3, Intervention was part of the Marvel superdrop, Lightning Bolt is everywhere, and this is the third SLD printing for Silence.

I don’t think it matters much in the long term, as these are fantastic cards with iconic characters and for something as universal as Rift, it doesn’t matter what’s on the art.

These spells will be popular, in demand, and you should feel good about buying this set of cards. I sure will.

Secret Lair x FINAL FANTASY: Weapons

Premium Version(s)EDHREC # of decks
Staff of the StorytellerNo foil ever31,000
Blade of SelvesSLD DaVinci foil $2590,000
Umezawa’s JitteSLD reg frame foil $1032,000
Colossus HammerSPG foil $20
SLD Evil Dead foil $20
74,000
Sword of Truth and JusticeSLD reg frame foil $4060,000
Bonus: Forge AnewLTR Scrolls foil $1557,000

This is the weakest of the drops, but there’s some factors that still make me feel pretty good about this drop. Hammer gets sold by the playset, for once, and even with the quantities that are likely for this drop, this Hammer will be in demand. We’ve been getting all sorts of Equipment-centric goodies, and the Forge and Sword fit right in. I have low expectations for the Staff as a card, but as a depiction of Yuna it’s got a lot to like.

The big speculation here is that this is a sign that Jitte is getting unbanned in Modern. Jitte was banned the last time they added it to a Secret Lair, and nothing ever came of that. Speculate away, but I think making this art Jitte just speaks to Cloud doing it all with the Buster sword.

Interestingly, this is only the second time we’ve gotten a Universes Beyond reprint with this Forge Anew, we just got a reprint of Raise the Palisade from LTC in the Morophon Commander deck that is still available on the site. We might see more or less of this, but the name not referring to a specific IP might help. We’ll see. 

Other Bonuses and Bundles

Each of the drops has a regular bonus, but there is also a chance for a rare drop, one of the five pitch Elementals as Summons, and even if there’s already plenty of sweet versions of these cards, them being rare and collectors’ items will keep the prices high. If you get one, congratulations!



There will be a bundle price of $200 for six drops, all three in both foil and nonfoil. That will include a promo Gilded Lotus, and this should be a nicely priced card, considering the art and how there’s no other borderless version. 

Additionally, this drop is available in Japanese as well as English, for the same price. All the cards, even the bonus and the promo Gilded Lotus, will come in Japanese, and the same bundle pricing applies. 

If you’re really feeling it, you can go for the mega-bundle for $400, and get the whole shebang, including a pair of promos. 

The bundle pricing doesn’t save you much. One of each without a bundle is $420, which is a 5% saving. I’d want more of a discount if I could, but I’m not in charge.

I think I’m going to go for a max of English bundles and an additional max of the ENG foil and nonfoil drops. The Japanese is tempting, but I think I would rather wait till the week that all the products arrive, and then buy a giant brick of things like Cyclonic Rift and Heroic Intervention in ENG and JPN foil. I’ve written about the gap in price that happens when you have good cards in more than one language, and I expect this to be a great example. I want some sealed to sock away for a while, but I also want the singles when they are cheap, so I want to spend the money a little more targeted, rather than just blast away at everything. 

If you want to talk about my buying scheme or your own plans, please reach out on social media or the ProTrader Discord!

Cliff (@WordOfCommander at Twitter and BlueSky) has been writing for MTGPrice since 2013, and is an eager Commander player, Draft enthusiast, and Cube fanatic. A high school science teacher by day, he’s also the co-host of the MTG Fast Finance podcast. If you’re ever at a GP and you see a giant flashing ‘CUBE DRAFT’ sign, go over, say hi, and be ready to draft.

MTG x Final Fantasy: Preparing for Tidus & Yuna

Tidus and Yuna have a great story, lasting over a couple of games and endless amount of time. There was more than one twist in FInal Fantasy X, and I don’t want to spoil things for you. But these two are Bant counters creatures, and while they work really well together, I want to talk about their decks and what people are going to play. 

Some of these cards I’ll have mentioned in the ProTrader Discord, or on the MTG Fast Finance cast, so there might have been movement already by those speculators or other unknown agents. Let’s get into it!

There’s a chance some of these see reprints in the decks, no way to know till we’ve got the lists released. Some of these, though, are tough to reprint due to IP.

Cards for the couple (meaning either deck):

Damning Verdict – $19 – This has a foil at $40-$50 from the promo pack and if there’s no foil included in the Commander decks here that could be a $100 card, as it’s unfairly perfect. There’s a lot of great SNC synergies with counters, but lopsided wrath effects are the most fun by far.

Brokers Ascendancy – Gilded Foil $5 – A lot of times you just want to get the counters on everyone and everything, so this will be a welcome card. Great version, unique styling, should do well.

Kami of Whispered Hopes – Promo Pack Foil $6 – This is the only special version so far, and this does two important things. Adds counters, and when you add counters to it, lets you scale up fast. Get yours cheap.

Hardened Scales – WOT foil $5, Borderless 2XM foil $4 – Either version will be under a lot of pressure very soon, so get the one you like best. I expect either/both to be more than $10 by July 4.

Lae’zel, Vlaakith’s Champion – Foil Etched $2 – I’m one of the folks who thinks that this showcase is so unappealing, I’d much rather have the etched. Again, adds to your counters and gives you something to do with them. 

Zimone, Paradox Sculptor – Mana foil $28 – Looking at the stock, there’s just too many of the reg borderless and the FEA available, so go for the most special version. We love doubling counters, and here you do.

Branching Evolution – FEA Surge foil $10 – You would think there was a special version along the way, but nope, go for the PIP surge foils while they are still cheap.

Yuna-specific cards

Freed from the Real – nonfoil $3 – We’ve already seen the SLD rainbow foils jump to nearly $30 in less than a day, as it makes a combo with Yuna. Tap her for a blue, her +2 counters is ready to go. Untap her, do it again, cast a Triskelion of infinite size. GG. There’s only two foil versions, both too expensive already, so get yourself some cheaper ones. 

Warden of the Grove – clan foil $4 – Warden loves coming in with counters, and helps everyone else come in with counters too. Wins all around! It might get a little cheaper as time passes but not by much. 

Marwyn, the Nurturer – DOM promo foil $5 – This is very tricky, because the upcoming Festival in a Box for Vegas will have a special foil of this staple Elf, and that’s a card I can’t wait to stock up on. 

Simic Manipulator – pack foil $1 – One of my favorite ways to turn counters into profits, the Manipulator reloads well. Even if it dies, you keep the creature you stole!

Threefold Thunderhulk – Pack foil $1 – Instant value with Yuna, as it comes in with the bonus and you instantly get the bonus tokens. Sadly, a strong candidate for being reprinted in the commander deck, so watch out. 

Kurbis, Harvest Celebrant – nonfoils $1 – As a Midnight Hunt Commander card, there’s a lot of them out there, but so so good with the theme! Extra counters means extra protection.

Sage of hours – pack foil $18 – She’s about to pop this card off, and somehow it’s never been reprinted. Sage is a staple in the counters decks, but at least it’s too good/too expensive to likely be included in the deck. 

Scholar of New Horizons – bulk – A great way to use counters and get lands for them. Also great with your assorted Sagas.

Triskelion – Borderless foil 50¢ – The classic, able to turn counters into damage instantly. 

Tidus- specific cards 

Tekuthal, Inquiry Dominus – Oil-Slick foil $15 – We get to double proliferates AND a way to get indestructible counters? Heck yes. Make an indestructible counter, proliferate it, and move it? Or make two counters? The fun never stops. The other Dominus creatures should likely be included too, but the blue one is the big target here. 

Arwen, Mortal Queen – scrolls foil $17 – I agree that the poster is sweeter, and that could go up a lot. This is the range I like for my specs, to go from $20ish to $40ish is much more likely than the poster foil going $120 to $250. The card is perfect for what you want, because if you proliferate her indestructible counter, you can still remove one to give out the other counters. 

Eagle of Deliverance – bulk – There are blessed few ways to put an indestructible counter onto a creature in these three colors, and the Eagle is an expensive but useful way to do it. All you need is the first one, and you can go from there. 

Agent’s Toolkit – promo foil $8 – Tidus loves this card, and I’ve mentioned it before. You can get the only foil version surprisingly cheap, but it won’t be cheap for long. 

Falco Spara, Pactweaver – Gilded foil $12 – You might run out of things to do, but with just a couple of counters around, you can do it all! This tends to get killed quite quickly, so make hay while the sun shines. 

Contractual Safeguard – promo foil $4 – If you cast this in your main phase, you get 2W: put a shield counter on each creature you control. That’s already pretty good for a deck like this, but the potential with the other counters you’ll have access to really makes this fantastic. Again, promo foils are the only shiny ones out there. 

Diamond City – surge foil $5 – Being in the Fallout set, you’re pretty safe from reprints. It’s also really great as a proliferator because it helps you move around the things you proliferated. 

Brotherhood Outcast – Surge foil $8 – Just three mana to start the fun with a shield counter, already a pricey foil due to its inclusion in other proliferate decks, this should bump the price hard. 

Cliff (@WordOfCommander at Twitter and BlueSky) has been writing for MTGPrice since 2013, and is an eager Commander player, Draft enthusiast, and Cube fanatic. A high school science teacher by day, he’s also the co-host of the MTG Fast Finance podcast. If you’re ever at a GP and you see a giant flashing ‘CUBE DRAFT’ sign, go over, say hi, and be ready to draft.

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