By: Douglas Johnson
Welcome back! The week after Vegas has been anything but dull, at least in terms of Modern cards jumping up and down (mostly up).
Last week, I ended on the note that I would take specific requests concerning the financial side of Magic and answer them this week in as much detail as I could. Thankfully, I got a few responses to that, which at least proves that there are a few people who read this column. After answering some questions, I’ll go over a few of the Modern cards that jumped in price this past week, and what you should do with them depending on how many copies you own.
I’ll throw in a disclaimer first though: due to the speculative nature associated with some of these questions, my answers are not guaranteed to have a higher percentage of being correct than any of your guesses. None of us know what’s going to be in Battle for Zendikar, and my being a financier doesn’t give me an edge in those predictions.
First off, we have Jeremy B. asking when the correct time to upgrade his Zendikar fetch lands in his Commander deck is. He’s wondering if the (assumed) reprint in Battle for Zendikar will affect the original printing’s foil price, or if the shock lands will prove to set an example of “original print foils creeping above $100.” There’s also a follow-up question about the ideal time to pick up foil copies of Survival of the Fittest and Wasteland. Even though my record with predicting fetch land reprints is not exactly stellar, I’m more than willing to vomit my opinions and thoughts onto the internet.
The general consensus on whether fetch lands will be in BFZ or not is pretty divided, but I’m standing firmly in the camp of, “Yes, Wizards will bring them back in the fall set with new art.” While this would put all ten fetches into Standard at the same time for six months, I’m willing to believe that those six months will be the last part of ripping off the Band-Aid of the new Standard rotation scheme. If they do end up in the set, foils of the new art will definitely be cheaper as product pours into the players hands en masse. That part is the no-brainer. But will the original Zendikar foils drop as well? I’m inclined to believe they will, but not by a huge amount.
An Onslaught foil Polluted Delta will run you about $400, and a large part of that is tied to a group of people who believe that old-border foils are the only way to play Magic. A 2005 foil Temple Garden is almost $75, because the old art is apparently loved by a larger group of people. I’m willing to believe that the same will hold true for these fetches—there will be people who want to believe that “older is better,” and this will keep the price tag up above the new foils—but they will still drop a bit, as some players will want to liquidate their foils in the face of the announcement.
As for Jeremy’s situation specifically: I think you can definitely wait on the fetch lands for your deck. You said in your message that you’re patient and that these aren’t something you need immediately for an event. Your Commander deck is fully functional with non-foils for the time being, and I don’t think anyone will fault you for not having the most expensive version of a card that appears to be imminent for a reprint.
Now, let’s talk about the desire for foils of Survival and Wasteland. The former is easy to get out of the way: it’s on the reserved list, so bite the bullet now and buy or trade for one if you really want it. It is not going to be printed again, and it’s an iconic enough art that it won’t be forgotten easily. I think you’re safe buying in now, and you shouldn’t have to work too hard to move it if you ever take apart the deck. If you’re patient, you can probably find one on a Facebook group or eBay auction for under $250.
Regarding Wasteland, I’ve had multiple discussions with my colleagues about whether or not Wasteland could be reprinted in Modern or even Standard. The card’s power level in those formats can be debated by those who play the game at a much higher level than I do, but my concern is focused more on whether or not WOTC feels that its presence would be promoting a healthy game type. Wizards hasn’t printed Stone Rain in forever, and it’s not because the card is overpowered. Early and immediate land destruction just isn’t where WOTC wants to take the game, so I’m inclined to believe that buying into a foil Wateland for your commander deck is still safe. It’s not as safe as a foil Survival, but it’s better than foil fetches. Your best bet for grabbing both without Wastelanding your wallet is definitely through a trade binder or eBay/Facebook auctions for cash.
Next up we have another question concerning Battle for Zendikar. Spencer asks if I think there will be new Eldrazi to replace the current ones, as well as what other reprints we might see from the original Zendikar. I don’t think that WOTC needs to one-up their Eldrazi from last time, especially since they’ve already tied the lore to those three specific titans. What I do think is possible is printing three “new forms” of Ulamog, Kozilek, and Emrakul, similar to what was done with Niv-Mizzet in RTR. He was an iconic character that they wanted to “touch up,” so Wizards just printed a different version of him. I think the same is potentially true with the three Eldrazi, as I’m not sure how “fun” the originals were seen to be.
Spell Pierce is an interesting case study, especially since I saw practically zero people complaining about the fact that it wasn’t in Modern Masters 2015. It’s a $2 common with a $35 foil, but I don’t think it or Goblin Guide will be in BFZ. Maybe I’m horribly wrong, but I think RTR is an excellent model that Wizards will use this fall when returning to Zendikar. Return to Ravnica actually had zero non-land reprints from the original block in 2005 and 2006, using the ten shock lands to support a significant portion of the nostalgia from the old set, while they got to spend the rest of the block creating and shaping new identities for the guilds and their members. The company could certainly do the same thing here and choose a different style of full-art lands to help hype up the set. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised to see Pierce or Guide pop up in a supplemental product soon, but I don’t think either will be in the upcoming fall set.
Liliana has almost reached the finish line in the race of $100 Modern singles, and foil Tarmogoyf has maintained its throne as the Modern Lotus of Magic (in fact, Maynard’s Goyf from Vegas sold for more than some Lotuses). I think the right answer to this question depends on your personal goals and what you’re planning to do with the cards in the future. If you plan on completing a set of foil Goys or hope to continue trading upwards and grinding value, then I think the single $350 bill is the place to be. The only situations I can think of where you might want to keep the Lilianas is if you’re planning on using them in a deck in the near future, or if you don’t have access to trading or selling very frequently and were planning on holding them for a few months. While the Goyf is better value at this moment, the Lilianas are quickly catching up and have a chance to pass the Goyf six months from now, as a rough guess.
Personally, I’d rather have the foil Goyf, and just sell it right now for $270, instead of selling the three Lilianas for $240.
Wow. Thanks to WUBRG from the MTGPrice ProTrader forums for the lengthy discussion topic! Reprints have definitely been the hot topic of late, with everyone wanting to maximize on value and not be screwed over by their expensive cards suddenly being worth nothing. This question is actually pretty similar to the first one I answered, but there’s definitely room to expand on where I would place my own money. Instead of buying into casual foils that were reprinted in Modern Masters 2015, I would prefer to put my money on reserved-list stuff, as you said. Sigmund recently touched on this, and I completely agree that Modern is not the place you want to be for long-term investments.
You suggested that “pimp” EDH cards will always have demand, even if Magic dies, but I have to disagree. If the game dies, none of those cards will matter anymore. I think the only thing that would potentially hold value is Power, Alpha, Beta, and maybe dual lands. The “pimp” factor makes cards a lot harder to move, especially when there is a higher percentage of players who just want the cheapest copies available to foil out their decks. If you’re just looking to “hold” value and prevent your cards from being absolutely decimated by reprints, then I think you’re fine, but I definitely wouldn’t use it as a solid investment strategy. Buying multiple copies of EDH staples and planning to sell them at a later date results in the huge inconvenience of moving them all, as I’ve learned the hard way by still owning over 45 copies of Ghave, Guru of Spores. Foils are even slower to move, so you’ll likely end up having to buylist them for a very minimal profit.
There’s also a pretty significant factor to consider in the similarity or difference in artwork between printings. If the artwork never changes, then the original printing becomes much less of a premium if the only differing factors are the set symbol and the hologram at the bottom. Take Creakwood Liege for example: the Modern Masters 2015 foil is $10 and the Eventide one is $15. If you buy into the Eventide foil at $10 for a 33-percent discount, who do you plan on selling it to? There’s no real flair to it that differentiates it as unique, so you’ll have to find someone who really cares about the set symbol. If you really want to invest in first-printing foils, pick something with a different art or different border.
In other news, there were several Modern singles that spiked over this past week. Oblivion Stone, Creeping Tar Pit, and Olivia Voldaren joined forces to make you miserable if you have to buy them now, and they form a team of “fringe playable cards in Modern that are now worth a lot more than you probably thought they would be.” If you have them, sell them. This article comes out on Thursday, but you should still be able to get a better deal than a week ago. Meanwhile, Blood Moon is dropping back down, to the surprise of nobody. While it won’t go back to its previous $25 to $30, you can wait until the decline stops at $45 or $50 instead of buying in at $60.
So what do you do? Modern is supposed to be this reprint-centric, accessible format, but we also have $20 Tar Pits running around. Do you buy into a Modern legal-card that hasn’t spiked yet and hope it goes up, or do you wait and cross your fingers for a reprint like MMA15 before buying in ? Let me know in the comments what your approach to Modern singles is, because I’m curious about the different approaches that people are using.
Thanks for reading!
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Great questions were asked for casual players.
Disgusted by such forced price spikes from buy outs because a deck does well at a tournament. Little we can do about that though haha.
You can help by not buying the card at the new price if you feel like it should be lower 🙂
With Bill Simmons gone who knew I’d get my mailbag fix here? Thank you Douglas for choosing good questions and your interesting comments on each.
No problem! Who’s Bill Simmons?
Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my question! I will definitely heed your advice. To that end, do you have any FB pages/groups you could recommend to help find the foils I need? Thanks again!
The High End group will definitely have someone with Wasteland/Survivals. Look for “High End Magic stuff for sale!”, with the picture of a bunch of Black Lotus. It’s closed but just ask for permission to join, you can usually find stuff a bit cheaper than TCGlow/eBay BIN
Personally, I like the big price spikes / drops. Adds a little spice!
Certainly gives you an internal fist-bump feeling when you own several copies of the card that jumped 🙂
“Internal fist-bump” is the name of a porno Insaw one time
Thanks for taking the time to do the Mailbag Article! Your thoughts on my question really helped me focus. I think sometimes I forget that while casual EDH foils hold high price tags, demand for them is actually questionable. Just because I’m excited about casual foils doesn’t mean the rest of the community is.
Your experience with going deep on Ghave is definitely something to think about. I think I might still target first printing (different art) casual foils when I see an opportunity. But I definitely won’t be going “deep” and I always have to consider that I might have to trade these away to EDH players for any real value. Maybe I’ll go ahead and set a rule for myself: Never hold more than a playset of something with “casual demand”.
I have to admit… I’m going to be looking for those Fire-Sales on Foil Angels when FTV: Angels is spoiled/released. Artwork will be a key factor. Promise I won’t go DEEP! I’ll approach my target with a Sniper Rifle… Machine Guns and Bombs leave too much collateral damage!
As for your 45 Ghaves… Seems like Fair Trade Price was under $2 for a long time after they released. Current Buylist Price is $4+ and Fair Trade price is $7+? http://www.mtgprice.com/sets/Commander/Ghave,_Guru_of_Spores
Seems like an alright spec to me? Buylist is actually showing steady gains this month as well. Its only about 75cents away from the highest buylist price recorded at $5… How did this go wrong for you? Did you buy these above $4???
I bought out SCG of 50+ copies at $3-3.50 each, about a week before they jumped to $10, and then slowly trickled down to the $7 they’re at now. This article wasn’t written by me but I basically went through the same process as Travis: https://blog.mtgprice.com/2014/04/30/my-spec-quadrupled-but-i-only-made-75-each/
Great article! In response to your questions about modern investment strategies (and how to pick the next Olivia Voldaren) I highly recommend keeping an eye on MTGtop8.com and the decklists posted on SCG. Weeks before she spiked, Olivia Voldaren was showing up as 1 or 2 ofs in the sideboards of lots of MTGO 4-0 / 3-1 decks, including Jund and Grixis Twin. Same went for blood moon, Kolaghan’s Command, Heritage Druid etc.
From my observations, after about a week of a card showing up consistently on MTGO / small SCG tournaments is the perfect time to get in before it spikes. Obviously it depends a lot on context though – limited supply is a must (ie reason why Heritage Druid was one of the better specs in the Elf deck)
I completely agree that’s a great way to go about it. I’m also of the opinion that Nettle Sentinel will be spiking sooner rather than later, due to its’ singleton printing and utility in the same deck as Heritage Druid.
You can also look at cards in the same deck that haven’t spiked yet. I think Raging Ravine is due for some modest gains.
Speak of the devil. Had some significant gains today!
Hey Douglas, thanks for including my question in your article.
In regards to Modern staples I’m not actively seeking out Modern cards unless they are Legacy playable or unless I feel like they have casual appeal post-Standard-rotation. One such card is Inkmoth Nexus…I haven’t been playing long enough to have gotten it during it’s standard life but it’s in Modern and Legacy Infect decks (and a vital piece of those decks) so it seemed like a smart target in the face of a possible reprint in MM2. Innistrad block cards like Liliana of the Veil, Snapcaster, Cavern, Avacyn, Olivia, Resto Angel, Falkenwrath, Garruk Relentless, Lingering Souls, etc. I held on to post-rotation as they either seemed too low to sell then or had good enough potential to hold…but Snap and Lili were obvious as they were super powerful as Legacy cards. Cards like Geist and Huntmaster, which I didn’t need for Standard decks and don’t really show up in Legacy, seemed a little risky at the time.
But now things have changed because the RTR block cards are not responding like most people thought. Deathrite and the Shocklands haven’t moved or they’ve gone down…now maybe if Deathrite was unbanned in Modern it would sky rocket, and maybe the shock lands finally show a spike with GP Charlotte, don’t know. Abrupt Decay has been called a great card to target but it too is Legacy playable.
But NEW Modern cards seem like huge risks…like Kolaghans’s Command and Collected Company! I need to get out now and just take my profits, but like everyone sometimes I get greedy. I outted some Serum Visions when they were $8 cause how could they NOT reprint that card but look what happened! I digress as Serum Visions is not new, but a card like Siege Rhino, especially the foil, has been all over the price charts. I think it’s too hard to gauge what Standard legal cards that are powerful in Modern are good targets cause they could easily see a reprint in a Clash Pack, Event Deck, etc and will eventually be reprinted.
Older Modern cards that are NOT Legacy playable seem like huge risks as well. I luckily got in on Snapcaster when he was $20ish…had I put that money into Pod or Twin as long term holds I’d have been in trouble. Chord of Calling is another good example, the reprint finally sold out on Star City but they have the Ravnica version now listed for $8 with 37 copies!!! Azuza seems like it might follow the path of Chord, or it’s at risk for the worst thing in Modern which is BANNINGS!
So after all that typing my answer is that I personally don’t target Modern cards that are not Legacy playable (Hierarch, Thoughtsieze, Lili, are good targets for example) unless there’s casual demand (Archangel of Thune). I’m not good enough at flipping cards like the writers on mtgprice as it’s not my primary source of income. But one banning can destroy the price of a couple of cards (like Amulet Bloom decks which people talk about being the next banable deck) or just a reprint. Pure Modern only playable cards are too risky. All those Innistrad block all stars are going to get reprinted at some point so now/soon is likely the time to sell, not buy IMO. I may have started selling off some Snaps a little early when he was $60 but tripling my money seemed smart…plus I traded/bought up into foil Snaps pre-spike. Sometimes things come together 😀
One last thing I’ll add (I should write for you guys) is that I still love foils as targets. Foil Olivia at $20ish seemed a little pricey with Jund not showing up for months and her non-foil around $5 but that’s the version I’d want to have. Foil Innistrad Olivia, Foil New Phyrexia Spellskite, Foil ROE Splinter Twin, Foil Future Sight Goyf, Foil ‘original printing’ Card X seems to be the way to go to prevent huge losses on Modern/reprintable card speculation. It’s a more expensive investment but a much safer one in the face of reprinting.
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