Is Modern too expensive? (Video Debate w/ Tolarian Academy’s The Professor)

Hey folks.

This week we’ve got some juicy video content for you. Last week, The Professor from The Tolarian Academy YouTube channel stated his case for Modern being too expensive as a format. Here is the original video:

After viewing the video, I had a lot of notes for the professor so we started talking. After a brief chat, we quickly established that a) we were unlikely to ever agree on the fundamentals of the debate on hand and b) it might be interesting for folks to get both sides of the debate in order to drive further discussion.

The professor was good enough to offer to post my rebuttal to his arguments on his YouTube channel, and here is the result for your consideration:

You can find the full script of my segments here, in case you wanted to review my arguments in text form.

Now I should point out that a key segment from the video was cut out in error, and we can’t easily double back on that at this point, so for the record, here is the script from the segment that should have been inserted just before 3:21 in the video.

  • So, let’s dive in.
  • Firstly, comparing the cost of a board game to the cost of a Modern deck, is little different than comparing the cost of a frisbee to the cost of a fully loaded gaming computer or a full set of snowboarding gear. Both alternatives provide entertainment but at vastly different price points to the frisbee. Does this mean that snowboarding and video gaming are “too expensive” and that the price of these activities should be aggressively reduced to more effectively compete with frisbee? Certainly not. The value of every gaming experience is relative, and it’s up to us to decide which experiences we value most and what we’re willing to pay for them.
  • In relative terms, Magic could be considered to be a medium cost hobby. Magic is far more expensive than a frisbee or a deck of cards, but far less expensive than a sailboat, a golf club membership or regular ski trips. Heck, at $30 for popcorn and a movie, or $80 for a mainstream video game, committed movie buffs and video gamers also spend at a rate comparable to a good Modern deck.
  • The reality is that competitive Magic: The Gathering is designed for the committed player who makes Magic a primary hobby, and it is priced accordingly.
  • Most competitive Standard decks are cheaper than Modern decks, with costs typically landing between $100 and $400, depending on the season. Standard decks however are much much susceptible to shifts in the meta game and only last for a maximum of two years.
  • Also, claiming that Modern is essential to encouraging Standard play because it provides an outlet for rotating Standard cards is also fairly loose since 95% of Standard cards are not good enough for Modern, and again, this is by design.
  • Draft and sealed players can also easily spend $500+ per annum.
    It is also worth pointing out that though The Professor was holding up his $1000 UB Faeries deck as an average deck, there are actually a significant number of more competitive Modern decks available in the $500-$700 range. This list would include Burn, Eldrazi Tron, Dredge, Affinity, Merfolk, Tron, Ad Nauseum, Elves and Titan Shift.
  • This list represents a diverse array of options, that while significantly more expensive than a single board game, will still compare favorably to many sports and gaming hobbies in terms of long term value.
  • We should also at least touch on the concept of retail price theory, which would suggest that the difference in participation and sales of Modern related cards and products are highly unlikely to change whether average decks are $450, $650 or $850. See, all of those numbers are still pretty large from the perspective of a casual Magic player.
  • Would Modern participation change if decks averaged $99? Well, yes, almost certainly, but we’ll talk about why that wouldn’t be a good thing in a moment.
  • Carry on at 3:22

    So in keeping with my final challenge at the end of the video, what is the “correct” price for the average Modern deck and why?

    James Chillcott is the CEO of ShelfLife.net, The Future of Collecting, Senior Partner at Advoca, a designer, adventurer, toy fanatic and an avid Magic player and collector since 1994.

MTG Fast Finance Podcast: Episode 66 (May 4th/17)

MTG Fast Finance is our weekly podcast covering the flurry of weekly financial activity in the world of Magic: The Gathering. MFF provides a fast, fun and useful sixty minute format. Follow along with our seasoned hosts as they walk you through this week’s big price movements, their picks of the week, metagame analysis and a rotating weekly topic.

Show Notes: May 4th, 2017

Segment 1: Top Card Spikes of the Week

Blowfly Infestation

Blowfly Infestation (Shadowmoor, Uncommon)
Start: $0.50
Finish: $4.00
Gain: +$3.50 (+700%)

Dakmor Ghoul (Starter ’99, Uncommon )
Start: $2.50
Finish: $18.00
Gain: +$15.50 (+620%)

Shining Shoal (BoK, Rare)
Start: $1.50
Finish: $8.00
Gain: +6.50 (+433%)

Heartbeat of Spring (CoK, Foil Rare)
Start: $7.50
Finish: $24.00
Gain: +$16.50 (+220%)

Cut//Ribbons (AMK, Rare)
Start: $1.00
Finish: $3.00
Gain: +$2.00 (+200%)

Flash (Mirage, Rare )
Start: $2.00
Finish: $6.00
Gain: +$4.00 (+200%)

Cryptbreaker (EMN, Foil Rare)
Start: $3.50
Finish: $10.00
Gain: +$6.50 (+186%)

Gideon Jura (M12, Mythic Foil)
Start: $18.00
Finish: $42.00
Gain: +$24.00 (+133%)

Always Watching (SOI, Rare)
Start: $6.50
Finish: $13.00
Gain: +$6.50 (+100%)

Segment 2: Picks of the Week

James’ Picks:

Breya, Etherium Shaper

  1. Breya, Etherium Shaper (C16, Foil “Mythic”)
  • The Call: Confidence Level 9: $4.00 to $16.00 (+12.00/300%) 0-12+ months)

2. Harsh Mentor (AMK, Foil Rare)

  • The Call: Confidence Level 7: $12.00 to $20.00 (+8.00/+67%, 12+ months)

Travis’ Picks:

Waste Not

  1. Waste Not (C16/M15, Rare)
  • The Call: Confidence Level 7: $3.50 to $8.00 (+4.50/+129%, 6-12+ months)

2. Sweltering Suns (AMK, Rare)

  • The Call: Confidence Level 8: $1.00 to $4.00 (+3.00/+300%, 0-12+ months)

Disclosure: Travis and James may own speculative copies of the above cards.

Segment 3: Metagame Week in Review

The guys touched on the results from SCG Atlanta, the first Standard tournament featuring cards from Amonkhet.

Segment 4: Topic of the Week

James & Travis looked at the likely impact of the new 1v1 focused Commander banlist on Magic Online.

James Chillcott is the CEO of ShelfLife.net, The Future of Collecting, Senior Partner at Advoca, a designer, adventurer, toy fanatic and an avid Magic player and collector since 1994.

Unlocked Pro Trader: Hapatra Hazard Construction

Last week I was going to write about all of the cards that Hapatra was going to make spike in price. It was going to be a pretty sweet article, to be sure. A few cards like Crumbling Ashes had already started to creep up so pointing out the rest of them was going to be pretty valuable.

However, a wrench was thrown in the works and Protean Hulk was unbanned in EDH. Since I figured that was an “all hands on deck” situation, I wrote about the stuff that was going to go up as a result. I figured Hulk stuff was going to go up immediately as people panic bought as a result of a major event whereas Hapatra cards were going to slink by in the background a little bit, or so I thought.

The truth is, Hapatra is the most popular Amonkhet commander on EDHREC (though not the most popular overall. You think a little thing like an exciting new commander is going to make the internet stop farting out 110 new Atraxa lists a week?) and cards are taking off. A lot of ships have sailed and I realize that referring to specs as “ships” is mixing boat metaphors a little bit. I guess the rising tide raised them and now they’re capable of sailing? Look, the point is, you’re too late on some cards and on others you’re not.

 

What Are We Too Late To Buy?

Crumbling Ashes

Basically as soon as we found out we were getting -1/-1 counter stuff in Amonkhet, this card disappeared. It’s in the $7 range right now and it could come down, although there’s not a ton of pressure on it to do so. There aren’t that many copies, what with a Shadowmoor Uncommon being about as scarce as an Amonkhet rare and with a non-trivial amount of casual and EDH demand for this card before this point. There aren’t copies being ferreted out in collections and store inventories fast enough to control the price so it’s basically a $7 card from now on, barring a reprint.

Blowfly Infestation

This is in the $4 range everywhere it isn’t sold out, except for Card Kingdom which has 1 solitary $0.99 copy which throws off our metrics something fierce. Someone do me a favor and go buy it? It’s Near Mint.

This is another card that rewards you for killing their stuff and it’s a nice tandem with Crumbling Ashes. This is a card I would have warned you about last week and there was probably more than a solitary $1 copy then, to boot. C’est la vie. While it’s important to note the cards that spiked already, let’s not despair – there’s money to be made, still.

Few more.

Quillspike

This gets played in and outside of Hapatra decks, both. When people started messing with -1/-1 counters stuff again, including in Modern, people remembered this combo existed and the low supply coupled with the renewed interest gave some upside to this as well as the other piece of the combo, which also spiked for another reason. There’s ample evidence to suggest the printing of Vizier of Remedies spiked Devoted Druid first and brought Quillspike right along with it.

Devoted Druid

This is going to make infinite mana in a lot of decks (although not Hapatra, though it does make an infinitely-large Quillspike, still) and not all of them EDH so it’s natural stuff that seemed to have cross-format applicability would spike first.

While it’s not 100% fair to say that it’s too late to buy any of these cards, I think there are better targets, so why buy on the off chance that there is some blood to be wrung from these stones (there I go again, mixing my metaphors. I’m like the Krombopulous Michael of mixing my metaphors. Oh, you think that’s a funny reference? Well, I made Krombopulous Micheal up. Try thinking for yourselves for a change.) when we can just buy cards that are sexier targets and aren’t all bought up yet?

What Are We Not Too Late To Buy?

You should know by now what I did. My first step was to go to this page and just look at cards. There are some very sexy targets still out there. That’s the second time in 2 paragraphs I’ve referred to spec targets as sexy. I think that’s because we only spec because it’s sexier than the way I make 90% of the money I make at MTG Finance – grinding. You don’t want to read an article about grinding, you want to check the mail with a tent in your pants. I get it. Let’s move on.

Dusk Urchins

Say! Do you wish your Black Sun’s Zenith was also a Blue Sun’s Zenith? Well now you can!

This card is pretty good. Its stats are wonky for EDH but the fact that it can draw you some cards seems pretty good to me and you’re already going to be playing with -1/-1 counters. You can draw more than 3 cards with this and that’s what makes it so good. I think this goes up along with the popularity of Hapatra decks, which some people insist are not good EDH decks, as if that matters even a little bit. Oh snap, false alarm. The Gitrog Monster decks don’t Tooth and Nail everyone on Turn 4. I guess I better give back all of the money I made on Squandered Resources. On second thought, I better not, because I used it to buy a flight and hotel for GP Vegas. Maybe I’ll just stick with paying attention to trends irrespective of whether I agree with them.

Speaking of Black Sun’s Zenith

Despite being sort of a durdly deck full of weird, midrange black creatures and expensive spells and therefore not selling as well as the sexier Red (Mom’s Daretti), White (Kor Set) and Green (Like, every card in there is a $5 elf) Commander 2014 decks, stuff from the black deck is finally starting to move and this card is no exception. It’s basically above its floor now and showing signs of even more life. How bow dah. Put these in a deck where you want things to have -1/-1 counters on them and watch how many creatures it does that thing to.

Necroskitter

This and the next card I want to mention are both at their floor following a reprinting in Modern Masters and that’s good. If you buy in at the floor, your risk is pretty low since they’re unlikely to go down as a result of increased interest. This was between $5 and $8 before the reprinting which was also before the printing of Hapatra. Will this be $8 again? No. But you didn’t buy them at $1 when they were $8 either, so you’ll probably profit the same amount as if you bought them at $3 or $4 before because you read the casual tea leaves better than I did in those days. Necroskitter was always a card I got sold to me as a bulk rare and remembered to pull because it buylisted for $2. Those were the days.

Midnight Banshee

Another card in the same boat (Look, I’m not going to change the way I talk at this point, so get used to it) as Necroskitter is a card that was $4 or $5, probably because of Skeleton Ship and casual and crap like that. This got a reprint, it’s at its floor, it’s starting to move, you know what to do.

Cauldron of Souls

We talked about this card recently and I think it’s worth repeating. This is a little above its floor and I think it’s as cheap as it’s going to get. Commander 2016 versions are gettable around $2 and that seems good to me. You know how I talk about the U-shaped graph of a card that gets a reprint then recovers nicely? We like to see reverse-J-shaped graphs because we know we’re buying in at the floor if you expect the card to recover. We expect this card to recover.

Flourishing Defenses

This is basically a Blowfly Infestation with a lower power level and less cross-format applicability but a high degree of synergy. This also has a way lower buy-in price and you’re basically at the floor on a stagnant card with the same low supply as Blowfly Infestation and Crumbling Ashes, cards from the same set. This isn’t as good but it’s good and it’s going to be how you win a lot of games. Imagine this with Skullclamp. Hubba hubba! That’s a spicy card drawing meatball. Throw in Attrition and Perilous Forays and you got a stew, baby! Beastmaster Ascension, Cryptolith Rite, this even pairs nicely with Nest of Scarabs. This is going to be played in a lot of Hapatra decks, and I’d spec on something old before I took a chance on much newer rares. We’ve established what can happen to this card on the basis of watching Crumblisg Ashes. It’s less healthy than that card but it’s not a complete slouch. At least pick these out of bulk.

That does it for me this week. Did we miss out on too much by not publishing this last week? I don’t think so. I think while there are cards we missed out on, there are still plenty of opportunities. Besides, half the cards we missed out on began spiking before last week. If you find this article series instructive, and this is going to sound like shameless self promotion, my Gathering Magic article series isn’t a bad place to also check. I don’t discuss finance per se there, but I do talk about cards I like in EDH decks and I discussed Hapatra there two weeks ago. I mentioned quite a few cards from the Hapatra EDHREC page and if I’m building with them and others are building with them, someone is going to buy them – that’s how this works. Thanks for reading and let’s meet back here next week to discuss a few more slow gainers that we have some time to scoop up. Until next time!

UNLOCKED: The Watchtower 5/1/17

By: Travis Allen
@wizardbumpin


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What the hell was that? Last week I sat here and talked about how surprised I was that Wizards didn’t ban Felidar Guardian, that it was probably a mistake, that Standard was miserable, that there were no financial opportunities, and how our only hope was to see what they did five weeks after Pro Tour Amonkhet.

Pfft.

Roughly 48 hours after the initial announcement, Aaron Forsythe posted an addendum that by the way guys, Felidar Guardian is also banned. In a post that Patrick Sullivan charitably described as “intellectually dishonest,” Aaron said that they changed their minds after seeing the first 24 hours worth of MTGO Standard leagues and how they were still all Copy Cat. Bulllllllllllllllshit. They had thousands of data points leading up to that, but the very first constructed league results — events that were guaranteed to be won by Copy Cat, because people hadn’t even had time to buy new cards, much less brew and test new decks — are what changed their mind?

What actually happened is that they saw how angry people were and decided that while their decision not to ban had been because they were concerned about eroding player goodwill, it was immediately clear that they were doing even more damage by leaving Guardian unbanned. So off it went.

Now with the first SCG Open in the books, things are looking cautiously rosy. Mardu Vehicles won the whole shebang, to the surprise of no one, and took five out of the top eight slots. Don’t let this fool you. It’s not shocking that the best deck in the format won a day-zero event full of untested and untuned lists. It will take until the Pro Tour for the Vehicle crushers to fully be realized. To wit: as soon as you got out of the top eight the decklist variety explodes. It’s unlikely that the Pro Tour and ensuing metagame will look too similar to this, but it’s a refreshing to have something to look forward to after the last few months of a brutally stale format.

Nissa, Vital Force

Price Today: $4
Possible Price: $15

Did you also forget that this card exists? Because I did. Five mana Planeswalkers have been stone unplayable up until now, with both Gideon and Felidar Guardian available at four. Now that you run much less of a risk of dying if you tap out on five, Planeswalkers like Nissa and Liliana, Death’s Majesty are much more viable. Both were found on the tables this weekend, and while not in the greatest concentration of play, that doesn’t mean there isn’t room for growth here.

Nissa in particular is a remarkably tantalizing $4. There aren’t many Planeswalkers that come and go with a price tag that low. Nissa would have to be in the bottom quartile to fare so poorly. Looking at those abilities, I don’t think that it’s likely to be. Her first ability, while not as obvious as Gideon’s on first pass, actually does protect her. The land she animates stays animated until your next turn, not the end of the current turn. Your 5/5 land gets to play blocking duty if need be. And since the +1 untaps the land as well, it means you can tap out on turn five (or four) and still protect her. You’ve then immediately got the option to ultimate her, which will draw you multiple additional cards over the course of the game. If you don’t choose to go that route, you can still set her up to keep returning the most dangerous threat in your graveyard every few turns.

At Atlanta this weekend we saw Nissa in the sideboard of G/R Energy and G/W Tokens decks, as well as sprinkled elsewhere. This is hardly a commanding position, but that’s that’s because this article series looks at cards out on the horizon, not at what’s already cemented as a format pillar.

Perhaps what’s most intriguing about Nissa to me is the fact that she’s in Kaladesh. Which means that she doesn’t rotate in five months, like the Battle for Zendikar and Shadows Over Innistrad blocks. No, she rotates in 17 months — the fall of 2018. That gives Nissa quite a long time to hit her stride. When Ixalan rolls around this fall and Gideon and all of SOI take off, there’s going to be a chance that Nissa hits it big.


Scrapheap Scrounger

Price Today: $1.50
Possible Price: $8

Mardu Vehicles. B/W Zombies. Mono-Black Zombies. Mono-Black Aggro. These are some the decks running playsets of Scrapheap Scrounger this weekend, and that’s just the lists on the first page of results from the Open. It quickly became clear, several months ago, that Scrapheap Scrounger was a fairly real card. Modern Dredge had picked him up quickly, and anyone in Standard that wanted to attack with less than an infinity of cats was probably in the market for him as well. After this weekend, there’s no doubts whatsoever that we can expect to see Scrounger as a major part of Standard moving forward.

As far as determining whether or not a deck has Scrounger in it, the decision tree seems to be fairly straightforward. A. Does the deck make black mana? B. If yes, does it want to kill its opponent dead? If you answered yes to both of these, chances are that Scrounger is there. Two mana for a 3/2 is a reasonable enough rate, and when combined with the fact that you get to do it over and over again, it quickly gets out of control. Scrounger completely invalidates many of the format’s premier removal spells, such as Fatal Push, Unlicensed Disintegration, and (soon to be premier) Sweltering Suns. Aggro decks are often looking for key cards that help them crawl over the finish line, and a threat that keeps recurring through removal spells is about as good as it gets.

Scrounger has a few things working against him. He’s a rare, rather than a mythic, and he’s from Kaladesh, a heavily-opened fall set. That said, he rarely shows up as less than a full playset in his respective decks, and it looks like there are a lot of lists looking to scrounge. I fully expect the large variety of decks this past weekend to consolidate in the near future, especially after the Pro Tour, but that doesn’t mean there will be any less Scroungers. At around $1 or $1.50 a copy, we could see Scrapheap Scrounger make a real run in this new Standard, and if not this season, then in October when the prior year’s fall set experiences its peak. Given the numbers of Scrounger we’re seeing already, it’s hard to imagine he’ll make it to this time next year without having taken a ride at least up to $5.

Pull from Tomorrow

Price Today: $4
Possible Price: $12

Remember Sphinx’s Revelation? That dang card was $30 at one point. It drew you a boatload of cards and undid your opponent’s last attack step (or three). It was Standard.

Now we’ve got Pull from Tomorrow, a card clearly scaled back from Sphinx’s Revelation. While it costs on less mana, it also draws one fewer card and, most importantly, gains no life. Having to discard a card at the end of the spell is probably mostly inconsequential (how often did you need every single land from a Revelation), but the lack of any sort of line gain is sure to hamper the card.

And yet, we’re seeing a recent upturn on the price of Pull. It looks like some time Saturday evening or Sunday the $2 copies began drying up, likely in response to the fact that people were playing with it at the Open and actually winning games. Now we’re in an interesting position where people are trying to figure out if it’s going to break out at the Pro Tour. If it does, expect to see the price triple. Having your copies on hand ahead of the PT will be a humongous boon if that happens; ship them Sunday and Monday Morning without hesitation and enjoy whatever profits you find.

Will Control make it back into Standard? I don’t know yet, and nobody save for maybe Wafo-Tapa does either. After a reasonable first weekend though, and rumblings of control’s return detectable on Twitter, I’m certainly keeping a close eye on what Tomorrow holds.


Travis Allen has  been playing Magic: The Gathering since 1994, mostly in upstate New York. Ever since his first FNM he’s been trying to make playing Magic cheaper, and he first brought his perspective to MTGPrice in 2012. You can find his articles there weekly, as well as on the podcast MTG Fast Finance.


 

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