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Grinder Finance – The Battle for Zendikar Foils

While there are not a lot of opportunities are this point to make or save money by purchasing cards from Battle for Zendikar, there are interesting foil trends and a lot of commons and uncommons that should be on your radar.

Pre-release promos

Gideon

With so many possible promotional cards, it’s hard to pin down exactly how much some of these cards will cost.  Right now the price of a pre-release foil is equivalent to a pack foil pre-order.  I’d wager to guess that won’t stay true forever. In most cases the pre-release foil will fall under the price of a pack foil so it’s probably a good time to trade them away.  In most cases where they don’t, they are usually still the same price.  The easiest ones to trade away will be the planeswalker and legendary creatures but it’s not impossible to trade away some bulk promos like Aligned Hedron Network ( I traded mine on Pucatrade).  Now is also the best time to move foils with premiums like Planeswalkers.  I’d be especially keen to trade away walkers that cost more than 3 because they likely won’t see any eternal play.   Gideon’s current price tag won’t last forever.

The Diamonds in the Rough

Does your lgs have a bulk foil box? Need a throw in to make up a few dollars in trades?  Here are a few of my favorite commons from the set I like in foil.

dispel

This is Dispel’s third printing (all of which had a foil) but this is the first really standout art.  I expect this Jace art Dispel to carry a premium for Modern players for years to come.

fertilethicket

This is a weird effect, it’s probably good enough for most green Commander decks, though there is always a possibility it can be abused later since its effect costs “no mana.”  I don’t expect to have a hard time trading any of these that I pick up.

mortuarymire

This card might look like a poor man’s Volrath’s Stronghold, and it is, but mono black Commander decks are some of the most popular mono-colored decks.  I’d expect it to easy replace in a Swamp in those decks and be a value land in many others.  Many black decks already play Expedition Map to search up Urborg or Cabal Coffers.

scourfromexistence

This card has probably the best long term common from the set.  I can’t imagine a way they can reprint a colorless spell outside of Zendikar.  This card looks a lot like Unstable Obelisk.unstable obelisk

The key differences are that exile is a much better answer than destroy and there is a surprise factor that comes with Scour from Existence.  I expect at the very least, if you’re going to play an Unstable Obelisk you will also play a Scour from Existence.

What uncommons are worth picking?

retreattocoralhelm

This card, and all of the retreats really, are pretty easy slam dunks.  While Retreat to Coralhelm has already been sneaking into Modern decks, I can’t imagine any of them not being played at some time. Commander players really like playing their 11th, 12th, or 16th land so they will likely want to get value from them.

crumbletodust

Foil Sowing Salts are $8-10 each.  This card does the same thing while being easier to cast.  I can’t imagine it doesn’t eventually eclipse Sowing Salt as the land destruction of choice in Modern.

sylvanscrying1

Sylvan Scrying is such an important role player in Modern but I can’t imagine it will see much Standard play.  There will be a time when these foils end up super cheap and you will love picking them up and holding them for a Modern season spike.  All it takes is one high profile finish to spike role player cards.

titanspresence

This card has a very unique effect.  I expect we will see more colorless creatures in the next set that will make this better.  Right now it’s not embarrassing to play but we really need some more 4-5 power Eldrazi to make it shine.

blightedcataract blightedwoodland

All of the Blighted lands are pretty decent pickups.  The white one is probably the worst and the green one is the best.  They are likely to keep some sort of Commander playability.

hedronarchive

Foil Mindstones can be found for $5-8 with two printings.  I expect this is the sweet spot between a Mind Stone and a Dreamstone Hedron which should make it pretty popular.  It shouldn’t be hard to get these easily in trades.

heraldofkozilek

Cards that reduce the mana cost of spells are always a corner case for broken things to happen.  I don’t know if this guy is better than Goblin Electromancer but he could follow a similar trajectory and could break out even more if he becomes a force in some weird deck in Vintage (where you are more likely to be able to abuse this ability).  At the very least he will be an important part of red and blue Commander decks with artifact sub-themes.  Given Wizard’s recent history pushing that theme in those colors I would not expect this to stay bulk.

Final Thoughts:

  • Expeditions look like they might be a little more common than people thought.  The market for them doesn’t seem to be there to sustain prices.  With the limited supply from the pre-release prices are already racing to the bottom.  If you have one you don’t need,  I would try to trade it or sell it.
  • That being said, the expedition supply is all anecdotal at this point.  Without a large retailer opening hundreds of cases of product it’s hard to know how often they appear.
  • The price of battle lands will likely drop quickly.  Many decklists I have seen will not be playing 4 copies of any of them.  Even 5 color decks likely won’t play more than 2 of any of them.
  • Khans Fetchland prices will probably peak next February or June. If you have extra ones I would choose one of those months to move them.
  • There is so much bad press on Sensei’s Divining Top.  It survived the last Legacy ban list but got banned in the rarely played Duel Commander.  This card will likely never get reprinted but I can’t imagine it surviving all formats forever.  It promotes so many bad game play patterns.  I would look to move mine before I get caught with my pants down.
  • Hardened Scales is almost $2 more than Siege Rhino.  I don’t really understand why but I would likely not want to play any deck in Standard without Dromoka’s Command.

PROTRADER: Battle for Zendikar Set Review – Colorless and Multicolor

We have a lot to get to today. There is one really quick point that I want to make about this set as a whole, that I think a lot of people have been glossing over. Remember when Theros was spoiled and everyone thought it looked weak? People said the same thing about Dragons of Tarkir.

Both of those sets (and I predict most, if not all, future sets) were more about interaction and complexity on the battlefield, not the stack. That means that it is harder to evaluate them in a vacuum (which is what we do before the set is available to play with), which hopefully means longer windows for players to get in on cards before they take off. It happened with cards like Sphinx’s Revelation, Boros Reckoner, Hangarback Walker, Abbot of Keral Keep, and Collected Company, so there is certainly hope. Anyway, I just wanted to make that point nice and clear.

Oh, and one more big thing. I just want to say at the top that this set is going to be opened in potentially record-breaking numbers. This lowers the ceilings of rares considerably, and means that your long-term targets may take significantly longer to hit. There are still opportunities for cards like Abrupt Decay (from RTR, the last set with this type of hype), but look at how much play it takes to get to a card of that level.

Let’s start with true colorless cards, and then tack on the few artifacts and close with multicolor. We will hit all the rares and mythics, skip the pointless-for-us commons, and then also touch on any cards that I have really funny jokes for (uncommons are on a case-by-case basis). There will just be one “foils of Note” section at the bottom.

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Wrapping up BFZ, Plus More Reddit Questions

Well, we’ve almost made it. It’s the day before the midnight prerelease of Battle for Zendikar, and I can’t remember the last time I was this excited for a prerelease. I feel like a 2.5 on an excitement scale of one to ten, which is saying something. I haven’t gone to a prerelease in exactly a year; Khans of Tarkir was the most recent one that I attended, and that was just because my fiancée and I were bored and needed something to do on our weekend away together. There’s about a 25-percent chance that I’ll end up going to the Battle for Zendikar prerelease with her for the same exact reason.

Counterbore

But hey, Wizards is getting there with its marketing. A 25-percent chance is better than nothing.

Shameless Set Review Plug

Now that we’re this close to the wire, I’m thankful that I don’t have to dedicate an entire article or two to a set review. With our spoiler coverage, Jason Alt and I have been taking care of that throughout the past several weeks, a little bit at a time. The small dosage of spoilers each day prevented us from being driven insane at the thought of doing entire set review articles, so I’ll just link our coverage here in case you missed it and are just dying to read about Battle for Zendikar cards today. Jason and I restricted ourselves to all of the rares (and a few cool uncommons), but you can find the complete card image gallery here. 

Apathy

All in all, I’m pretty apathetic about the set. There are a few cards that I’m excited to add to a couple of my EDH decks (Smothering Abomination for Savra, and new Drana for Marchesa), but I’m overall disappointed at the lack of material for my Child of Alara lands deck that I keep talking about.

Our wide staff of writers (I mean, I’m saying that we have a lot of writers, not that all of us are fat…), including myself, have been covering Battle for Zendikar a ton in these past few weeks, so I’m sort of already Zendikar‘ed out. Last week I got a huge positive response wave to my Reddit Q&A/mailbag article, which made me incredibly happy. I really appreciate all of the comments and messages that I received, and it especially works out because I really enjoy writing articles that answer specific questions that allow me to go into a lot of depth with a single answer. Because of that, I want to test the waters with a second article that picks questions from the same weekly r/mtgfinance weekly AMA to see where it takes us.

I’m not sure why the text is so small on these screenshots that I took of the Reddit comments, so I copied and pasted the users’ questions into the article itself to make them readable.

$30 for a Set Symbol

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I’ve been wondering for some time as to why there can be such huge price variation of a certain (near identical) card that is printed in multiple sets. I.e. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth has been printed three times: Planar Chaos, FTV Realms and M15 and these are the trade values of the foils from the different sets (from mtgprice.com):

Planar Chaos: $47.75 FTV Realms: $12.98 M15: $14.70

Now that’s some huge differences for the same card that has the same art and flavor text. If they’d had different art, I would have no problem understanding the differences – but they don’t. If anything, I believe the M15 version should be the highest valued because of the hologram (which makes it a whole lot harder to fake).

Hence, my question: Do people really pay $30 extra just for a certain icon on the card or has the card prices just not evened out yet?

dramak1ng

urborg

If you’ve ever foiled out an EDH deck before, you might have noticed that original set foils are often a lot more expensive than their reprinted counterparts. While this can usually be explained partially through different a different card frame, art, or even flavor text, there are a significant number of original set foils whose price remains a huge degree higher than the reprinted version, even when they have the same art.

Reddit user dramak1ng asked if people really are willing to pay $30 extra for a certain set symbol, and the simple (yet somewhat unsettling) answer is yes. There are people out there who are still willing to pay $45 for a foil Planar Chaos Urborg even though the $15 M15 version exists and has the hologram at the bottom of the card. The first reason behind this is the same reason people buy foils in the first place: they want their decks to be the best, regardless of how much money needs to be spent to make it happen. Even when that small difference between the two cards is the set symbol, there’s a sense of pride and honor in your opponent asking to read your card, and being able to say “Yeah, that’s the $50 one. It’s from Planar Chaos and there are a lot fewer copies out there than the other versions.” Does it make sense to most of us? Hell no. I’m not going to shell out for black bordered ABU duals for Child of Alara just to gain bragging rights.

The other part of the equation is one that I can relate to more. I actually own a Planar Chaos foil Urborg, and it sits in my Savra deck. I’ve had the thing for god knows how many years, and I probably traded for it back when it was at $20 or $25. I remember when it was worth $65 for that brief period around Journey Into Nyx right before it was reprinted, and I was so tempted to sell it, but I just couldn’t do it. Now that the M15 version is out and the price has dropped to $45, I can’t bring myself to sell it for any less. Yes, price memory is a very real thing.

Price memory is a reflection of how strongly a card is tied to a specific price in the mind of the Magic-playing community at large, regardless of what that value actually “should” be based on pure supply and demand. If a bunch of players like me own foil original Urborgs and think that they should be worth $45 even though they rarely sell for that much, then the price will remain close to that just because of an unwillingness to sell for anything less. This is one of the reasons why original set foils are much safer of an investment than anything other than reserved list staples, but they are a lot harder to find the right market for. Their value is theoretically harder to kill than later reprinted cards, but you have to work a lot harder to find that one guy who cares enough about shelling out for the original version.

Using Fat Stacks to Buy Fat Packs

question1

I’m not sure how the printing for Fat Packs works; I’ve heard somewhere that they were only printed once. I’m seeing some really ridiculous prices for them here (60$CAD+taxes…) but I’ve managed to find some for 45$. Should I be buying them now, or waiting until the hype dies down a bit?

Azuriae

Yes, you heard correctly. Fat Packs are printed in a single run (albeit an enormous one), and once that print run is done, there aren’t anymore. The world can theoretically run out of Fat Packs, and Wizards will be be all dried up. However, I highly doubt this will happen. Wizards knows that there will be a large demand for this specific product because of the full-art lands that will be included, and there will be a huge number of Fat Packs available.

Fat Ass Fat Ass Fat Ass

They aren’t a limited release product like From the Vault, either, so you should be able to still find them at Wal-Mart, Targetor any other large retail store should your LGS happens to be sold out.

I really don’t think you should be shelling out over MSRP for Fat Backs, booster packs, boxes, cases, or anything from Battle for Zendikar. Take some deep breaths. There will be enough to go around. If you do want to buy some Fat Packs at MSRP, I wouldn’t recommend holding onto them as spec targets either. Just because there’s a single print run doesn’t mean that you will be able to find buyers willing to pay above MSRP several years down the road. At that point, people would rather just buy booster boxes, and the full-art basic lands will be a dime a dozen. Don’t speculate on fat packs.

Phyrexian Judge Foil Panic

question3

The Phyrexian language Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite just dropped like 40 dollars overnight. That’s about 5% of its total price. Is there any reason why? If I want it, should I keep waiting for it to drop?

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Norngraph

Man, I will never get over how cool that text is. I highly doubt that they’re ever going to reprint Norn in such a way ever again, at least for several years. While there may have been a blip on the radar that suggested Norn was going down a bit in price, remember that there are an extremely small number of copies of these on the open market, and that any slight change in inventory by sellers on TCGplayer and eBay can cause the card to look like it’s trending somewhere.

Nothing has happened in recent times that would suggest the card is any less popular on a grand [cenobite] scale, so I would just mark it up to a small number of sellers deciding to undercut the market to move their copies as quickly as possible. There are only four sellers on TCGplayer right now, and MTG Deals has, well, a pretty good deal considering the fair trade price of the card. If you’re looking to pick one up for cube or EDH, now doesn’t seem like a bad time. The card probably isn’t going to be getting any significantly cheaper over the next few years.

norn2

Need vs. Want

question4

If I need a playset of [[Shambling Vent]] for Abzan but would be okay waiting a couple weeks if it were worth it, should I buy in at $4.25/ea or wait a couple weeks? How about [[Canopy Vista]]?

mtg1200

Sorry mtg1200, but the r/mtgfinance subreddit doesn’t have its own cardfetcher bot.

In your situation, there isn’t really a right answer that I can tell you right now. I mean, there is, but I’d be guessing. I need more information provided in your question. How badly do you need those cards for the opening week of Battle for Zendikar? Are you going to grind a bunch of events in the first few weeks of the set’s release, and do you feel confident in your skill level and deck construction to take all of them down? If so, then your investment of $17 for a playset of Shambling Vents could very well pay off (although I question the necessity of an entire playset of that card in Abzan… maybe it’s a one- or two-of?).

Need for Speed

However, if you just want them for one or two small, local FNMs, then you might want to hold off on the investment until a lot more product floods the market. I wrote this article over six months ago, but it’s still one of my favorite shorter pieces that I wrote for Brainstorm Brewery: Rent a Card. The TL;DR of the article is that when you invest in a card knowing that its price will likely decline, you’re basically paying to “rent” the card for those few weeks. The price of renting is your initial cost of payment subtracting the amount you eventually sell the card for. While you could just wait until those numbers will cancel out and be zero, you’re hoping to obtain an intangible play value out of the card that will make up for the overpriced amount you paid at release.

End Step

In other news, Hardened Scales continues to climb. It’s up to $3.50 fair trade price as of today, and I’m on the fence as to whether or not I should sell my copies. I’m leaning towards selling them if I can get $3 a piece, but who knows. Maybe there will be a competitive Standard list that plays it after rotation and makes me bite my tongue.

After seeing the entire set spoiled, I’m less bullish on Dragon Whisperer at $3. We don’t have a Lightning Strike or Searing Spear for the first time in a while, so I’m not sure if mono-red will have the burn it needs. I still like Whisperer as a trade target at $3, and I still think you should pick them up now if you’re adamant about playing Mountains post rotation. I’m just done picking up any more right now (disclosure: I have 10 copies), and I don’t think buying large quantities is the correct move at this point.

Questions? Comments? Concerns? There’s a section for that stuff, you know.

PROTRADER: September MTG Finance Grab Bag

This is the opening paragraph of today’s article; you are currently reading what is called an “attention-grabber.” The purpose of this introduction is to outline the remainder of the article with some variety of anecdote or short story. Of course, today is going to be a grab bag of a few topics not large enough to compose their own article, so there is really no glue to hold them all together. So we can either draw this platitude out, or we can get down to business.

That’s what I thought.

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